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Re: [Boa Constr] Is BoaConstructor still being developed? -2 questions

[Tim B. <ti...@al...>]

Tim Black wrote:
> I wonder if more people might contribute patches if the code was not 
> managed in a distributed rather than centralized version control system.
I meant to say, "if the code WAS managed in a distributed..."

Tim

Re: [Boa Constr] Is BoaConstructor still being developed? -2 questions

[Tim B. <ti...@al...>]

Hi Werner, and Riaan,

I know Boa is still being developed.  Significant updates continue to 
come, but they don't seem to come very frequently.  That indicates to me 
that Riaan remains the main developer, but as I think he's said, doesn't 
have much time to improve Boa.  I know Riaan welcomes and integrates 
patches, but I wonder if more people might contribute patches if the 
code was not managed in a distributed rather than centralized version 
control system.

Over the last year or so I've taken to migrating all my projects out of 
CVS & Subversion into Bazaar, because the distributed version control 
system model makes it a little easier for others to contribute code to 
the mainline, partly by giving each user a local copy of the repository 
itself.  It's also easy to set up any directory as a Bazaar-managed 
repository (easier than CVS & SVN--3 commands:  bzr init, bzr add, bzr 
commit), because you don't have to set up a central repository server 
before you can start versioning your code.

Bazaar also gives you the option to host your code centrally on 
Launchpad and use its collaboration features which are similar to 
SourceForge.  I haven't used Launchpad a lot, but I like their model of 
allowing parallel branches to be owned & developed by different people 
and merged when an owner wants to merge, because I think that fosters 
more feature development, yes, with the risk that incompatible branches 
will develop, but I think the correlative risk in a centralized version 
control model is that the mainline experiences less feature development.

So, you might consider using one of the distributed version control 
systems if you think there's a bottleneck connected to the version 
control system that's being used.

Tim Black

Werner F. Bruhin wrote:
> Hi Vern,
>
> vmars wrote:
>   
>> Greetings:
>>  
>> 1) Please, is Boa still being developed?
>>     
> Yes it is.
>   
>>     Its very easy for me to use, because I am used to Delphi.
>>     I think that BC is a valuable program,
>>     and I hope it continues to be developed!
>>     
> I am sure Riaan will be happy to hear this.
>   
>>  
>> 2) I would like to read the BC help files, without having to keep BC running
>>     Is there a way to do this?
>>     
> Check the folder:
> yourboainstallfolder\Docs\boa
>
> There is an index.html in both of the sub-folders.
>
> Werner
>
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Re: [Boa Constr] Is BoaConstructor still being developed? -2 questions

[Werner F. B. <wer...@fr...>]

Hi Vern,

vmars wrote:
> Greetings:
>  
> 1) Please, is Boa still being developed?
Yes it is.
>     Its very easy for me to use, because I am used to Delphi.
>     I think that BC is a valuable program,
>     and I hope it continues to be developed!
I am sure Riaan will be happy to hear this.
>  
> 2) I would like to read the BC help files, without having to keep BC running
>     Is there a way to do this?
Check the folder:
yourboainstallfolder\Docs\boa

There is an index.html in both of the sub-folders.

Werner

[Boa Constr] Is BoaConstructor still being developed? -2 questions

[vmars <vm...@rg...>]

Greetings:

1) Please, is Boa still being developed?
    Its very easy for me to use, because I am used to Delphi. 
    I think that BC is a valuable program, 
    and I hope it continues to be developed! 

2) I would like to read the BC help files, without having to keep BC running
    Is there a way to do this? 

THanks !

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Re: [Boa Constr] AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'params'

[Werner F. B. <wer...@fr...>]

Hi,

vmars wrote:
> Greetings;
> This error happens , in 'Boa Constructor' everytime I start a new program.
> Turns out , the work around is :
> Save files, shutdown Boa.
> Then restart Boa, and all is well.
>   
> Is there a way to avoid this?
Can you provide the full traceback.

Which version of Boa are you using?

What version of Python are you using?  2.4 or 2.5 is fine, note that I 
don't think that 2.6 will work yet.

Also wxPython 2.6 is pretty old by now.

Unless you are already on Boa 0.6.1 from CVS I would suggest that you 
get that and that you upgrade to wxPython 2.8.9.1.

Werner

[Boa Constr] AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'params'

[vmars <vm...@rg...>]

Greetings;
This error happens , in 'Boa Constructor' everytime I start a new program. 
Turns out , the work around is :
Save files, shutdown Boa.
Then restart Boa, and all is well.
   
Is there a way to avoid this?
Thanks!

ô¿ô
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Or only via email?
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Re: [Boa Constr] BoaConstructor OnMenuHelpAboutMenu(self, event):

[vmars <vm...@rg...>]

Thanks for your prompt reply.
I made the change, but still no go.
But I think we're on the right track [something stupid].
Thanks!
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"Wolfgang Strobl" <ne...@my...> wrote in message news:l67...@4a......
"vmars" <vm...@rg...>:

>I am stepping thru: "Getting Started Guide for Boa Constructor
>Kevin Gill November 1, 2000 March 2005 updated for Boa 0.4.0
>July 2007 updated for Boa 0.6.0 by Werner F. Bruhin " 
>
>Below is their 'Getting Started Program' which works well, except for 
>the OnMenuHelpAboutMenu . Which calls the Dialog2.py module. 
>But the Dialog2 Window never comes up. 

...

>[wxID_DIALOG2, wxID_DIALOG2BUTTON1, wxID_DIALOG2STATICBITMAP1,  
> wxID_DIALOG2STATICTEXT1, wxID_DIALOG2STATICTEXT2,  
>] = [wx.NewId() for _init_ctrls in range(5)] 

...

>        # generated method, don't edit 
>        wx.Dialog.__init__(self, id=wxID_Dialog2, name='', parent=prnt, 


You _did_ edit this method, didn't you? :-)
Replace wxID_Dialog2 with wxID_DIALOG2, and it will work.


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[Boa Constr] BoaConstructor OnMenuHelpAboutMenu(self, event):

[vmars <vm...@rg...>]

Thanks in advance! 

I am stepping thru: "Getting Started Guide for Boa Constructor
Kevin Gill November 1, 2000 March 2005 updated for Boa 0.4.0
July 2007 updated for Boa 0.6.0 by Werner F. Bruhin " 

Below is their 'Getting Started Program' which works well, except for the OnMenuHelpAboutMenu . Which calls the Dialog2.py module. But the Dialog2 Window never comes up. 
Can someone tell me why this doesn't happen?
I been working on this for several days, and I am baffled. It's sure to be some stupid little thing, but I can't find it. I'll also include the Apy2.py .
Thanks for your help!   

# ##################################

#Boa:Frame:Frame2 
  
import wx 
import Dialog2 
  
def create(parent): 
    return Frame2(parent) 
  
[wxID_FRAME2, wxID_FRAME2STATUSBAR1, wxID_FRAME2TEXTEDITOR,  
] = [wx.NewId() for _init_ctrls in range(3)] 
  
[wxID_FRAME2MENUFILECLOSE, wxID_FRAME2MENUFILEEXIT, wxID_FRAME2MENUFILEOPEN,  
 wxID_FRAME2MENUFILESAVE, wxID_FRAME2MENUFILESAVEAS,  
] = [wx.NewId() for _init_coll_menuFile_Items in range(5)] 
  
[wxID_FRAME2MENUHELPABOUT] = [wx.NewId() for _init_coll_menuHelp_Items in range(1)] 
  
class Frame2(wx.Frame): 
    def _init_coll_menuBar1_Menus(self, parent): 
        # generated method, don't edit 
  
        parent.Append(menu=self.menuFile, title='File') 
        parent.Append(menu=self.menuHelp, title='Help') 
  
    def _init_coll_menuHelp_Items(self, parent): 
        # generated method, don't edit 
  
        parent.Append(help='Help is on the way...', id=wxID_FRAME2MENUHELPABOUT, 
              kind=wx.ITEM_NORMAL, text='About') 
        self.Bind(wx.EVT_MENU, self.OnMenuHelpAboutMenu, 
              id=wxID_FRAME2MENUHELPABOUT) 
  
    def _init_coll_menuFile_Items(self, parent): 
        # generated method, don't edit 
  
        parent.Append(help='Open a File...', id=wxID_FRAME2MENUFILEOPEN, 
              kind=wx.ITEM_NORMAL, text='Open') 
        parent.Append(help='Save File...', id=wxID_FRAME2MENUFILESAVE, 
              kind=wx.ITEM_NORMAL, text='Save') 
        parent.Append(help='Save File As...', id=wxID_FRAME2MENUFILESAVEAS, 
              kind=wx.ITEM_NORMAL, text='SaveAs') 
        parent.Append(help='Close File...', id=wxID_FRAME2MENUFILECLOSE, 
              kind=wx.ITEM_NORMAL, text='Close') 
        parent.Append(help='Exit Program...', id=wxID_FRAME2MENUFILEEXIT, 
              kind=wx.ITEM_NORMAL, text='Exit') 
        self.Bind(wx.EVT_MENU, self.OnMenuFileOpenMenu, 
              id=wxID_FRAME2MENUFILEOPEN) 
        self.Bind(wx.EVT_MENU, self.OnMenuFileSaveMenu, 
              id=wxID_FRAME2MENUFILESAVE) 
        self.Bind(wx.EVT_MENU, self.OnMenuFileSaveasMenu, 
              id=wxID_FRAME2MENUFILESAVEAS) 
        self.Bind(wx.EVT_MENU, self.OnMenuFileCloseMenu, 
              id=wxID_FRAME2MENUFILECLOSE) 
        self.Bind(wx.EVT_MENU, self.OnMenuFileExitMenu, 
              id=wxID_FRAME2MENUFILEEXIT) 
  
    def _init_coll_statusBar1_Fields(self, parent): 
        # generated method, don't edit 
        parent.SetFieldsCount(1) 
  
        parent.SetStatusText(number=0, text='status') 
  
        parent.SetStatusWidths([-1]) 
  
    def _init_utils(self): 
        # generated method, don't edit 
        self.menuFile = wx.Menu(title='File') 
  
        self.menuHelp = wx.Menu(title='Help') 
  
        self.menuBar1 = wx.MenuBar() 
  
        self._init_coll_menuFile_Items(self.menuFile) 
        self._init_coll_menuHelp_Items(self.menuHelp) 
        self._init_coll_menuBar1_Menus(self.menuBar1) 
  
    def _init_ctrls(self, prnt): 
        # generated method, don't edit 
        wx.Frame.__init__(self, id=wxID_FRAME2, name='', parent=prnt, 
              pos=wx.Point(627, 173), size=wx.Size(400, 489), 
              style=wx.DEFAULT_FRAME_STYLE, title='Notebook') 
        self._init_utils() 
        self.SetClientSize(wx.Size(392, 455)) 
        self.SetMenuBar(self.menuBar1) 
  
        self.statusBar1 = wx.StatusBar(id=wxID_FRAME2STATUSBAR1, 
              name='statusBar1', parent=self, style=0) 
        self._init_coll_statusBar1_Fields(self.statusBar1)   
        self.SetStatusBar(self.statusBar1) 
  
        self.textEditor = wx.TextCtrl(id=wxID_FRAME2TEXTEDITOR, 
              name='textEditor', parent=self, pos=wx.Point(0, 0), 
              size=wx.Size(392, 412), style=wx.TE_MULTILINE, value='') 
  
    def __init__(self, parent): 
        self._init_ctrls(parent) 
        self.FileName=None   
  
    def OnMenuFileOpenMenu(self, event): 
        dlg = wx.FileDialog(self, 'Choose a file', '.', '', '*.*', wx.OPEN) 
        try: 
            if dlg.ShowModal() == wx.ID_OK: 
                filename = dlg.GetPath() 
                # Your code 
                self.textEditor.LoadFile(filename)  
                self.FileName=filename 
                self.SetTitle(('Notebook - %s') % filename)                  
        finally: 
            dlg.Destroy() # event.Skip() 
  
    def OnMenuFileSaveMenu(self, event): 
        if self.FileName == None: 
            return self.OnFileSaveasMenu(event) 
        else: 
            self.textEditor.SaveFile(self.FileName)  # event.Skip() 
  
    def OnMenuFileSaveasMenu(self, event): 
        dlg = wx.FileDialog(self, 'Save file as', '.', '', '*.*', wx.SAVE) 
        try: 
            if dlg.ShowModal() == wx.ID_OK: 
                filename = dlg.GetPath() 
                # Your code 
                self.textEditor.LoadFile(filename)  
                self.FileName=filename 
                self.SetTitle(('Notebook - %s') % filename)                  
        finally: 
            dlg.Destroy()  # event.Skip() 
  
    def OnMenuFileCloseMenu(self, event): 
        self.textEditor.LoadFile(filename)  
        self.FileName=filename 
        self.SetTitle(('Notebook - %s') % filename)  # event.Skip() 
  
    def OnMenuHelpAboutMenu(self, event): 
        # if hasattr(sys, 'debugger_control'):      
        # sys.debugger_control.set_traceable()  
        dlg = Dialog2.Dialog2(self) 
        try: 
            dlg.ShowModal() 
        finally: 
            dlg.Destroy()  #  event.Skip() 
  
    def OnMenuFileExitMenu(self, event): 
        self.Close()   # event.Skip() 
  
#END of Boa:Frame:Frame2 

# ############################################

#Boa:Dialog:Dialog2 
  
import wx 
  
def create(parent): 
    return Dialog2(parent) 
  
[wxID_DIALOG2, wxID_DIALOG2BUTTON1, wxID_DIALOG2STATICBITMAP1,  
 wxID_DIALOG2STATICTEXT1, wxID_DIALOG2STATICTEXT2,  
] = [wx.NewId() for _init_ctrls in range(5)] 
  
class Dialog2(wx.Dialog): 
    def _init_ctrls(self, prnt): 
        # generated method, don't edit 
        wx.Dialog.__init__(self, id=wxID_Dialog2, name='', parent=prnt, 
              pos=wx.Point(604, 204), size=wx.Size(400, 398), 
              style=wx.DEFAULT_DIALOG_STYLE, title='About NoteBook') 
        self.SetClientSize(wx.Size(392, 364)) 
  
        self.staticText1 = wx.StaticText(id=wxID_DIALOG2STATICTEXT1, 
              label='NoteBook - Simple Text Editor', name='staticText1', 
              parent=self, pos=wx.Point(80, 0), size=wx.Size(251, 23), 
              style=wx.ALIGN_CENTRE) 
        self.staticText1.SetFont(wx.Font(14, wx.SWISS, wx.NORMAL, wx.NORMAL, 
              False, 'Tahoma')) 
  
        self.staticText2 = wx.StaticText(id=wxID_DIALOG2STATICTEXT2, 
              label='This is my first Boa Contstructor application', 
              name='staticText2', parent=self, pos=wx.Point(40, 56), 
              size=wx.Size(309, 19), style=0) 
        self.staticText2.SetBackgroundColour(wx.Colour(255  , 0, 0)) 
        self.staticText2.SetFont(wx.Font(12, wx.SWISS, wx.NORMAL, wx.NORMAL, 
              False, 'Tahoma')) 
  
        self.staticBitmap1 = wx.StaticBitmap(bitmap=wx.Bitmap(u'C:/Program Files/Python26/Boa Constructor/Practice/Boa.jpg', 
              wx.BITMAP_TYPE_JPEG), id=wxID_DIALOG2STATICBITMAP1, 
              name='staticBitmap1', parent=self, pos=wx.Point(80, 112), 
              size=wx.Size(236, 157), style=0) 
  
        self.button1 = wx.Button(id=wxID_DIALOG2BUTTON1, label='Close', 
              name='button1', parent=self, pos=wx.Point(168, 312), 
              size=wx.Size(75, 23), style=0) 
        self.button1.Bind(wx.EVT_BUTTON, self.OnButton1Button, 
              id=wxID_DIALOG2BUTTON1) 
  
    def __init__(self, parent): 
        self._init_ctrls(parent) 
  
    def OnButton1Button(self, event): 
        self.Close()  # event.Skip() 
  
#END of Boa:Dialog:Dialog2 

# #######################################

#!/usr/bin/env python
#Boa:App:BoaApp

import wx

import Frame2

modules ={u'Dialog2': [0, '', u'Dialog2.py'],
 'Frame2': [1, 'Main frame of Application', u'Frame2.py']}

class BoaApp(wx.App):
    def OnInit(self):
        self.main = Frame2.create(None)
        self.main.Show()
        self.SetTopWindow(self.main)
        return True

def main():
    application = BoaApp(0)
    application.MainLoop()

if __name__ == '__main__':
    main()

#END of Boa:App:BoaApp

# #########Thanks!##############   

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Re: [Boa Constr] select pop-up menu in Inspector show no data or icons in Ubuntu 8.04

[Alex M. <tec...@wi...>]

Bob Mathias - Sysero llc Dev wrote:
> Dear Boa Constructor users,
> 
>         On Ubuntu 8.04 I used Synaptic Pacckage Manager to install
> Boa-constructor 0.6.1-4.
> 
> When I run Boa Constructor and select the about the information is:
>  Boa Constructor v0.6.1
> Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, July 31 2008, 17:31:22) [GCC 4.2.3 (Ubuntu
> 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)] wx.Python 2.6.3.2: __WXGTK__, wxGTK, unicode, gtk2,
> wx-assertions-off, SWIG-1.3.27,USA en_US.UTF-8, ascii 
> 
>         I started with the Help Tutorial - Building your first
> applcation. I had no
> problems with Windows XP.  The problem I am having is in the Help "Now
> we are going to create the menubar" using the pop-up menu in the
> Inspector.  The pop-up menu:
>    1 - Does not show on the right side the down arrow symbol
>    2 - Does not show any list when you select the down arrow.
> 
> In the "Adding the Text Control" using the Inspector in the style field
> for any item that has a False or True check box is not showing up.
> 
> Any Ideas how to solve this problem?
> 
> Bob
> 
> 

I never had much luck with the copies of Boa in the Ubuntu repositories,
 since it's a python application it's really easy to just check out the
latest code to your machine and launch it directly with python.
See http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=1909

Once you download you can make a launcher with:
python /path/to/files/boa-constructor-0.6.1/Boa.py

Also if patches are made you can always just run an update to get the
latest without having to wait for it to make it to Ubuntu(Can take years)

Alex

[Boa Constr] select pop-up menu in Inspector show no data or icons in Ubuntu 8.04

[Bob M. - S. l. D. <sys...@gm...>]

Dear Boa Constructor users,

        On Ubuntu 8.04 I used Synaptic Pacckage Manager to install
Boa-constructor 0.6.1-4.

When I run Boa Constructor and select the about the information is:
 Boa Constructor v0.6.1
Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, July 31 2008, 17:31:22) [GCC 4.2.3 (Ubuntu
4.2.3-2ubuntu7)] wx.Python 2.6.3.2: __WXGTK__, wxGTK, unicode, gtk2,
wx-assertions-off, SWIG-1.3.27,USA en_US.UTF-8, ascii 

        I started with the Help Tutorial - Building your first
applcation. I had no
problems with Windows XP.  The problem I am having is in the Help "Now
we are going to create the menubar" using the pop-up menu in the
Inspector.  The pop-up menu:
   1 - Does not show on the right side the down arrow symbol
   2 - Does not show any list when you select the down arrow.

In the "Adding the Text Control" using the Inspector in the style field
for any item that has a False or True check box is not showing up.

Any Ideas how to solve this problem?

Bob

[Boa Constr] Ubuntu 8.04 Boa Constructor v0.6.1 problems Inspector pop-up menu display nothing

[Bob M. - S. l. D. <sys...@gm...>]

Dear Boa Constructor users,

	I am using both Window XP and Ubuntu 8.04 with Boa Constructor v0.6.1
Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, July 31 2008, 17:31:22) [GCC 4.2.3 (Ubuntu
4.2.3-2ubuntu7)] wx.Python 2.6.3.2: __WXGTK__, wxGTK, unicode, gtk2,
wx-assertions-off, SWIG-1.3.27,USA en_US.UTF-8, ascii 

	I am using the Help Tutorial - Building your first applcation. I had no
problems with Windows XP.  The problem I am havinf is in the Help "Now
we are going to create the menubar" any pop-up menu:
   1 - Does not show on the right down arrow symbol
   2 - Does not show any list when you select the down arrow.

In the "Adding the Text Control" using the Inspector in the style field
for any item that has a False or True check box is not showing up.

Any Ideas how to solve this problem?

Bob

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[Boa Constr] adventures with unicode -- chapter II

[spir <den...@fr...>]

Hello,

As I told in a previous message, I have strange problems happening with 
unicode. When I start writing a new program with utf-8 encoding, 
eveything works fine for a while. Then unicode errors happen randomly.

I tried to understand myself what's up with unicode, so I did a kind of 
dignostic. I wish to tell here all what I know about that problem, so 
that it will be a long message.

First, some more precisions. I have the last versions of python and 
wxPython installed on an XP machine, and 3 IDEs which are all written in 
python and built on wx : drPython, boa and SPE. Also, I sometimes use 
notepad++.
The problems I'm talking about are not
* the processing of unicode data (python's unicode text type)
* programming with words from other languages (having french or german 
variable names)
but only the edition and run of a source code file encoded in utf-8. I 
don't need it, only to use french characters that are properly managed 
by latin-1, but I wanted to try again playing with unicode.
The same codec errors happen with the 3 IDEs named above. Not with 
notepad++. Note that N++ is itself written in C++. When the problems 
happen, I'm still able to load the source in N++, change the codec to 
latin-1 (iso-8859-1) and read it, everything's all right. While the same 
procedure in one of the three other IDEs leads to other problems, and 
even with Python set to latin-1, the program won't run.

So I decided to analyse the source file to try and find where the 
problem is. I wrote a script that does the following :
[Note : characters with ordinals between 128 and 255 , thus encoded in a 
single byte in latin-1 will be coded in 2 bytrs in utf-8 -- see 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utf-8].
-1- Read the source
-2- Make a list of all bytes > 127
-3- Write these byte numbers and matching characters (like #193:Ã)
-4- Look up in the source where these characters happen to be, and what 
should be there instead. There's always a pair of strange characters in 
place of a single 'normal' (for me) one. For instance, I may find 
"biêre" instead of "bière".
-5- Replace all of these pairs of bugs with the expected characters.
Then, the source text should be clean, properly encoded for e.g. 
latin-1, and acceptable for python. This process is a kind of adhoc 
transcoding from utf-8 to latin-1.

But it still happens not to work! Which is expected, as otherwise, why 
did my IDEs (and python too) refuse the file when they where set to 
utf-8? This refusal shows that something was wrong in the utf-8 encoding 
itself.
Actually, by looking in the text after the 'transcoding', I found a 
couple of remaining bugs, each made of a sequence of 3 bytes, and each 
at the place of an ordinary 'é' (ordinal #233) letter in the middle of a 
word. This is very strange, as
* This letter os the most common in french, and all other ocuurences 
where properly processed by the transcoding procedure.
* All french ordinary characters, especially on the keyboard, will be 
encoded on 3 bytes in utf-8. So that I can' have typed it as a typo.

So how did these weird byte sequences happens to be in my source code 
file ? This is the point, I guess. I searched farther, first by checking 
that everything was solved if I corrected the errors. All right, all 
works fine again, both in the IDE and at run time (my program works! 
only python does not want it in utf-8).
Digging further, I went back to the buggy version in order to follow the 
error traceback given by python. I have to swim a bit in the standard 
module, but finally found the source of the message in the utf-8.py that 
you should find in the /Lib/encodings directory. The following function 
launches the error:
def decode(input, errors='strict'):
    return codecs.utf_8_decode(input, errors, True)
I tried to get some information about the arguments with:
def decode(input, errors='strict'):
    try:
        return codecs.utf_8_decode(input, errors, True)
    except UnicodeDecodeError:
        print "### input :###"
        print input
        print "##############"
        sys.exit()
But for any reason, I got no output (because standard output should also 
have passed through the utf-8 encoding?). So I'm stuck.

Denis

Re: [Boa Constr] boa & unicode : sitecustomize.py not read

[Werner F. B. <wer...@fr...>]

Denis,

spir wrote:
> Thank you for your help, Werner.
> I work on windows with last versions installed I guess :
> * win XP SP3
> * python 2.5.2
> * wxPython 2.8.81
> * boa 0.6.1
>
> Actually, you're right, I use the exe version of boa, which explains 
> why sitecustomize.py does not work. I should have noted that myself...
> Still, the strange thing is : I just installed ACtiveState's 
> ActivePython instead of the standard Cpython. And *now*, boa works 
> perfectly with unicode, both when opening and running a file. wxPython 
> modules such as the file dialog, too (before I had warnings at each 
> directory change, even if there are only plain ascii file and 
> directory names).
No idea, I thought that ActivePython is just a "packaged" up Cpython 
with some other modules, but as they are always lagging a bit behind I 
prefer to get the packages/modules I need and to upgrade them when it 
fits into my plans.
>
> I would really enjoy understanding. Does it mean that ActivePython is 
> internally built using unicode ? And written in order to be able to 
> parse unicode source files ? If it uses utf-8, then ascii users would 
> not even notice it (characters < 128 still coded on a single byte).
> Anyway, this fact shows that I still don't get fully the way python 
> copes with non-ascii stuff. I don't mean non-ascii data, or the 
> unicode type of strings, but the encoding of the source code itself.
You might want to search with Google there are lots of 
references/posts/wiki pages out there.  It is still a mystery to me, 
also I think I have my application converted over to Unicode, actually 
utf-8, but still testing.
>
> greetings, denis
>
> PS : Do you know about a programming language in which variable and 
> object _names_ can be non-ascii ? I think in the XXIth century this 
> should be possible ;-)
You probably could today with Python, also it might be a lot easier with 
Python 3x as I believe it will be handling Unicode "natively", i.e. it 
will be the default and no longer ascii.

I am a native German speaker but all the code in my app uses English for 
all objects etc etc, and I then use gettext to translate all the user 
visible stuff into German and French.

Werner

Re: [Boa Constr] boa & unicode : sitecustomize.py not read

[Werner F. B. <wer...@fr...>]

Denis,

spir wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I read in the doc that, in order to use unicode with boa, one should add 
> a sitecustomize.py module with a setdefaultencoding("utf-8") 
> instruction, either to the python directory, or to the Lib/site-packages 
> one, or to the boa directory. I choose the last solution in order not to 
> disturb other modules.
> Note that my source files always start with "# -*- coding:utf-8 -*-".
> But it does not work. Actually, sitecustomize.py is not even read, there 
> is no .pyc file generated. When I try to open a source file with 
> non-ascii chars, I get the usual ascii codec error, for instance:
> "UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position 
> 27: ordinal not in range(128)" (Oxe9 is the code for 'é').
> Copying sitecustomize.py to the python directory does not solve the 
> problem. In fact, this kind of error messages even constantly happens in 
> the boa file-open dialog, even though my directory and file names don't 
> hold any non-ascii character.
# Python 2.5 (r25:51908, Sep 19 2006, 09:52:17) [MSC v.1310 32 bit (Intel)]
# wxPython 2.8.8.1, Boa Constructor 0.6.1
# Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> import sys
 >>> sys.getdefaultencoding()
'utf-8'
 >>>

I work in Unicode for some time now with Boa.  My sitecustomize.py is in 
the Python root.

Can you provide more information on what you are running, i.e. Boa 
version, and OS.

Also, I hope that you are not using the boa.exe as that would explain 
why non of the locations for your sitecustomize.py seem to work.  The 
.exe version is built with py2exe and therefor will use whatever is it 
was built against (which is an ANSI build).

Werner

Re: [Boa Constr] boa & unicode : sitecustomize.py not read

[Riaan B. <riaan@e.co.za>]

Hi Denis,

You are probably using the exe version of Boa, that means that
everything is compiled
into the exe and no external py files like sitecustomize.py are run.

You can still set the default encoding via the command-line switch -U,
e.g. Boa.exe -U utf-8
But as the exe version uses the ascii version of wxPython it may still
give issues.

I suggest you use the source version of Boa.

Cheers,
Riaan.

2008/9/29 spir <den...@fr...>:
> Hello,
>
> I read in the doc that, in order to use unicode with boa, one should add
> a sitecustomize.py module with a setdefaultencoding("utf-8")
> instruction, either to the python directory, or to the Lib/site-packages
> one, or to the boa directory. I choose the last solution in order not to
> disturb other modules.
> Note that my source files always start with "# -*- coding:utf-8 -*-".
> But it does not work. Actually, sitecustomize.py is not even read, there
> is no .pyc file generated. When I try to open a source file with
> non-ascii chars, I get the usual ascii codec error, for instance:
> "UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position
> 27: ordinal not in range(128)" (Oxe9 is the code for 'é').
> Copying sitecustomize.py to the python directory does not solve the
> problem. In fact, this kind of error messages even constantly happens in
> the boa file-open dialog, even though my directory and file names don't
> hold any non-ascii character.
>
> Thank you for help,
> Denis
>
>
>
>
>
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[Boa Constr] boa & unicode : sitecustomize.py not read

[spir <den...@fr...>]

Hello,

I read in the doc that, in order to use unicode with boa, one should add 
a sitecustomize.py module with a setdefaultencoding("utf-8") 
instruction, either to the python directory, or to the Lib/site-packages 
one, or to the boa directory. I choose the last solution in order not to 
disturb other modules.
Note that my source files always start with "# -*- coding:utf-8 -*-".
But it does not work. Actually, sitecustomize.py is not even read, there 
is no .pyc file generated. When I try to open a source file with 
non-ascii chars, I get the usual ascii codec error, for instance:
"UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position 
27: ordinal not in range(128)" (Oxe9 is the code for 'é').
Copying sitecustomize.py to the python directory does not solve the 
problem. In fact, this kind of error messages even constantly happens in 
the boa file-open dialog, even though my directory and file names don't 
hold any non-ascii character.

Thank you for help,
Denis

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Re: [Boa Constr] Command-line parameters

[Werner F. B. <wer...@fr...>]

Derek,

Derek Croxton wrote:
> Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I can't find it:  is there any 
> way to run an application within Boa and pass it parameters?
Menu File/Set Command Line Parameters

Unfortunately if you close Boa or the app you entered the params for 
then you have to reenter them.

Werner