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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 18:48:37
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hi Mark,
You will need to check that your paths are correct, edit
base/utils/installcode.sh
base/utils/processprepend.php
base/utils/xml2php.php
base/utils/pk2dir.pl
and make sure that the paths to php and perl are correct.
> anybody? Also, will I have any problem using/installing bc on a hosted
> site, are there configuration differences I need to be aware of?
r2 is:
-a) not done
-b) quite different.
not so different that you have to throw away code, but you will certainly
have to modify your modules, etc to work with the new system.
best,
_alex
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 18:46:49
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The only standard that I would like is that it be extremely detailed. Ronald, are you happy to write the make/r2 tutorial for windows? best, _alex > Alex, > > Another suggestion included having someone do a write up on some of the > stuff we've discussed here including a win2K install. Do you have any > standards for doing so? I could lend a hand, often times useful info gets > lost in a list like this. > > Alby > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alex black" <en...@tu...> > To: <bin...@li...> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:47 PM > Subject: [binarycloud-dev] list-split > > >> hi all, >> >> John (Donagher) just suggested that I split the lists (which I had > intended >> to do at some point) now, given the amount of traffic, etc. >> >> I think that's a timely suggestion, so I'm going to do it: >> >> binarycloud-dev (development discussions, no user support) >> binarycloud-cvs (cvs commit notices) >> binarycloud-announce (if I feel like babbling) >> binarycloud-general (for general questions) >> >> I particularly like the addition of the binarycloud-cvs commit list, it > will >> give everyone a good sense of the amount of activity :) >> >> btw, I have done that variable change, and will be synching a new tarball >> tomorrow. >> >> _alex >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "jason" <ja...@gr...> >> To: <bin...@li...> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 8:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] Question on using PEAR DB >> >> >>> !@# ok -? >>> so completely ignore my last message sent .. >>> >>> >>> Alex Black wrote: >>>> thought note that I'll be doing PEAR integration pretty soon :) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> binarycloud-dev mailing list >>> bin...@li... >>> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> binarycloud-dev mailing list >> bin...@li... >> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: John D. <jo...@we...> - 2001-07-11 17:26:32
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I stuck the directions provided by Ronald Tao for installing under Cygwin/WIN32 in cvs, in a file called INSTALL.WIN32 in the root of the binarycloud source tree. Anyone using that platform who can take a look and confirm/enhance that document would be appreciated. John On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Alby Lash wrote: > Alex, > > Another suggestion included having someone do a write up on some of the > stuff we've discussed here including a win2K install. Do you have any > standards for doing so? I could lend a hand, often times useful info gets > lost in a list like this. > > Alby > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alex black" <en...@tu...> > To: <bin...@li...> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:47 PM > Subject: [binarycloud-dev] list-split > > > > hi all, > > > > John (Donagher) just suggested that I split the lists (which I had > intended > > to do at some point) now, given the amount of traffic, etc. > > > > I think that's a timely suggestion, so I'm going to do it: > > > > binarycloud-dev (development discussions, no user support) > > binarycloud-cvs (cvs commit notices) > > binarycloud-announce (if I feel like babbling) > > binarycloud-general (for general questions) > > > > I particularly like the addition of the binarycloud-cvs commit list, it > will > > give everyone a good sense of the amount of activity :) > > > > btw, I have done that variable change, and will be synching a new tarball > > tomorrow. > > > > _alex > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jason" <ja...@gr...> > > To: <bin...@li...> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 8:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] Question on using PEAR DB > > > > > > > !@# ok -? > > > so completely ignore my last message sent .. > > > > > > > > > Alex Black wrote: > > > > thought note that I'll be doing PEAR integration pretty soon :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > binarycloud-dev mailing list > > > bin...@li... > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > binarycloud-dev mailing list > > bin...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > > -- John Donagher Application Engineer Intacct Corp. - Powerful Accounting on the Web 408-395-0989 720 University Ave. Los Gatos CA 95032 www.intacct.com Public key available off http://www.keyserver.net Key fingerprint = 4024 DF50 56EE 19A3 258A D628 22DE AD56 EEBE 8DDD |
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From: m b <bab...@ya...> - 2001-07-11 15:50:33
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I have to agree with alex on this. I've been working with 2 different systems. One, running NAS(netscape application server) 4.0, with all the servlets/EJB/JSP architecture mumbo-jumbo. And the other, running PHP4. It turns out that the NAS, having only served 20-customer have a CPU utilization of nearly 80% while the system running PHP4, only utilize about 25% of the CPU. And FYI, the NAS is hosted on a E10K server with a spec beyond this realm of existence, while the PHP system is hosted on a humble DELL Pentium III PC with only 256Mb Ram with a single CPU. Both system run more or less the same application. It turns out that for the NAS system, we have to incur additional cost to hire the so-called "NAS specialist" to identify the bottleneck and "optimize" further the system...puhhlleaassee...still they only managed to I can do way much better using PHP. The only good thing about using NAS is that you can have somebody else to blame for the crappy performance. --- Alex Black <en...@tu...> wrote: > > As far as I understand, jsp/servlet architecture > is a lot faster than > > perl/php/asp etc. Once the server engine > interprets/compiles the script the > > Reverse that, a lot _slower_. :) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ |
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From: TAO R. <ron...@ho...> - 2001-07-11 14:03:50
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>Hi Ronald, > >At 08:35 PM 7/11/01 +0800, you wrote: >>try to have look on this, http://www.phpide.de/.... >>this IDE also work with DBG PHP Debugger... >>looks good.. > >This i the one I'm currently trying. I haven't managed to get the >Debugger >set up (no instructions), there's bugs in the syntax highlighting, >the >auto-complete doesn't work with the current PHP manual... you'd >think that >the number of people using PHP would mean a huge project at >SourceForge to >make a Windows/Mac(?)/Linux editor, but everyone seems to want to >work on >their own little project, and none of them get far :-( > >Peter. > Peter, as I can make the PHPIde work with the debugger, I realized that the IDE itself is not as good as some editor like ultraedit or vi, so I still perfer using those plain editor, together with the debugger, because thd DBG PHP Debugger came with a simple debugger that is better than the PHPIde one.... ronald _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. |
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From: Peter B. <re...@f2...> - 2001-07-11 13:53:27
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Hi Ronald, At 08:35 PM 7/11/01 +0800, you wrote: >try to have look on this, http://www.phpide.de/.... >this IDE also work with DBG PHP Debugger... >looks good.. This i the one I'm currently trying. I haven't managed to get the Debugger set up (no instructions), there's bugs in the syntax highlighting, the auto-complete doesn't work with the current PHP manual... you'd think that the number of people using PHP would mean a huge project at SourceForge to make a Windows/Mac(?)/Linux editor, but everyone seems to want to work on their own little project, and none of them get far :-( Peter. ---oOo--- Do you sendcard? http://www.sendcard.f2s.com/ PHP postcard script supporting 9 databases! ---oOo--- |
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From: Faine, M. <Mar...@ms...> - 2001-07-11 12:58:15
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Thanks that got it, I should of guessed it was looking for that, don't know why it never occured to me. Are there any more installation docs, still getting an inclusion error looking for prepend.php, guess I need to get out the ole .htaccess file and set some configuration options. -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Harlindong [mailto:ji...@ha...] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:50 AM To: bin...@li... Subject: RE: [binarycloud-dev] r2 make > make[2]: /home/mfaine/www/r2/binarycloud/base/utils/processprepend.php: Command not found Edit the file above (processprepend.php) and change the shebang line to point to where your php is installed Mine is on /usr/local/lib/php (freebsd - iirc) _______________________________________________ binarycloud-dev mailing list bin...@li... http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev |
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-11 12:49:15
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Also some others like ActiveState Komodo I have been playing / using Quanta http://quanta.sourceforge.net Cheers |
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-11 12:48:30
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> make[2]: /home/mfaine/www/r2/binarycloud/base/utils/processprepend.php: Command not found Edit the file above (processprepend.php) and change the shebang line to point to where your php is installed Mine is on /usr/local/lib/php (freebsd - iirc) |
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From: Faine, M. <Mar...@ms...> - 2001-07-11 12:40:17
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Have you guys seen QaDRAM, it used to be called visualphp studio or something. If I could figure out how to use the thing it might be ok. http://www.qadram.com/ Maybe you php guru's can figure it out and then give me a clue. -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bowyer [mailto:re...@f2...] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:27 AM To: bin...@li... Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] capwiz At 08:41 PM 7/10/01 +0100, you wrote: >PHP 4 is okay. the language got better and libs got better. >much less work than with perl. >the language itself still tastes a bit ugly but that's okay for me. >development is a nightmare ("printf debugging"), which is much easier under >lisp (best) or perl (okay). i'll definitely buy an better ide (zend >debugger?) >than xemacs later. I'm still looking for a good ide. Did you know that NuSphere bought PHPEd, and have developed it much more? Have a look at http://www.nusphere.com/products/phpadv.htm for more details. The price took me aback though.. and the size of the trial download. Cheers! Peter. -oOo- Maple Design - web design, hosting, domain names http://www.mapledesign.co.uk -oOo- _______________________________________________ binarycloud-dev mailing list bin...@li... http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev |
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From: TAO R. <ron...@ho...> - 2001-07-11 12:35:55
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>
>At 08:41 PM 7/10/01 +0100, you wrote:
>>PHP 4 is okay. the language got better and libs got better.
>>much less work than with perl.
>>the language itself still tastes a bit ugly but that's okay for me.
>>development is a nightmare ("printf debugging"), which is much
>>easier under
>>lisp (best) or perl (okay). i'll definitely buy an better ide (zend
>>debugger?)
>>than xemacs later.
>
>I'm still looking for a good ide. Did you know that NuSphere bought
>PHPEd,
>and have developed it much more? Have a look at
>http://www.nusphere.com/products/phpadv.htm for more details. The
>price
>took me aback though.. and the size of the trial download.
>
>Cheers!
>Peter.
>
>-oOo-
>Maple Design - web design, hosting, domain names
>http://www.mapledesign.co.uk
>-oOo-
Peter,
try to have look on this, http://www.phpide.de/....
this IDE also work with DBG PHP Debugger...
looks good..
ronald
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From: Peter B. <re...@f2...> - 2001-07-11 12:30:53
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At 08:41 PM 7/10/01 +0100, you wrote:
>PHP 4 is okay. the language got better and libs got better.
>much less work than with perl.
>the language itself still tastes a bit ugly but that's okay for me.
>development is a nightmare ("printf debugging"), which is much easier under
>lisp (best) or perl (okay). i'll definitely buy an better ide (zend
>debugger?)
>than xemacs later.
I'm still looking for a good ide. Did you know that NuSphere bought PHPEd,
and have developed it much more? Have a look at
http://www.nusphere.com/products/phpadv.htm for more details. The price
took me aback though.. and the size of the trial download.
Cheers!
Peter.
-oOo-
Maple Design - web design, hosting, domain names
http://www.mapledesign.co.uk
-oOo-
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From: Alby L. <al...@th...> - 2001-07-11 12:21:19
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Alex, Another suggestion included having someone do a write up on some of the stuff we've discussed here including a win2K install. Do you have any standards for doing so? I could lend a hand, often times useful info gets lost in a list like this. Alby ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex black" <en...@tu...> To: <bin...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:47 PM Subject: [binarycloud-dev] list-split > hi all, > > John (Donagher) just suggested that I split the lists (which I had intended > to do at some point) now, given the amount of traffic, etc. > > I think that's a timely suggestion, so I'm going to do it: > > binarycloud-dev (development discussions, no user support) > binarycloud-cvs (cvs commit notices) > binarycloud-announce (if I feel like babbling) > binarycloud-general (for general questions) > > I particularly like the addition of the binarycloud-cvs commit list, it will > give everyone a good sense of the amount of activity :) > > btw, I have done that variable change, and will be synching a new tarball > tomorrow. > > _alex > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jason" <ja...@gr...> > To: <bin...@li...> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] Question on using PEAR DB > > > > !@# ok -? > > so completely ignore my last message sent .. > > > > > > Alex Black wrote: > > > thought note that I'll be doing PEAR integration pretty soon :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > binarycloud-dev mailing list > > bin...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > |
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From: Faine, M. <Mar...@ms...> - 2001-07-11 12:11:23
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I couldn't find much instruction on doing make for r2. Just thought I'd check it out. At first I couldn't get it to do anything so I edited makefile.in and added the current dir (/home/mfaine/www/r2/binarycloud) as BCHOME. this is what I get when I run make: Building da site in user in user/htdocs in base in core in bldr in init make[2]: /home/mfaine/www/r2/binarycloud/base/utils/processprepend.php: Command not found make[2]: *** [installprepend] Error 127 in lib in mgr Building en site in user in user/htdocs in base in core in bldr in init make[2]: /home/mfaine/www/r2/binarycloud/base/utils/processprepend.php: Command not found make[2]: *** [installprepend] Error 127 in lib in mgr [mfaine@cub binarycloud]$ anybody? Also, will I have any problem using/installing bc on a hosted site, are there configuration differences I need to be aware of? -Mark |
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From: alex b. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 03:50:16
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hi all, John (Donagher) just suggested that I split the lists (which I had intended to do at some point) now, given the amount of traffic, etc. I think that's a timely suggestion, so I'm going to do it: binarycloud-dev (development discussions, no user support) binarycloud-cvs (cvs commit notices) binarycloud-announce (if I feel like babbling) binarycloud-general (for general questions) I particularly like the addition of the binarycloud-cvs commit list, it will give everyone a good sense of the amount of activity :) btw, I have done that variable change, and will be synching a new tarball tomorrow. _alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "jason" <ja...@gr...> To: <bin...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] Question on using PEAR DB > !@# ok -? > so completely ignore my last message sent .. > > > Alex Black wrote: > > thought note that I'll be doing PEAR integration pretty soon :) > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > |
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From: alex b. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 03:47:35
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> Which brings up a question. Why selectively use some PEAR classes for > things, and not others. For consistency, would it not make sense to Because some pear classes are mature and good, others aren't. for example, Pear_error on the whole is quite good. Pear DB isn't. > utilize all new PEAR functionaliy in a sort of wrapper that speaks to > the managers? This of course would only depends on MetaBase having PEAR is (and will be considered as such in bc) a set of libraries. PEAR stuff will be included by core and modules as needed, for caching, error handling, and anything else people find that they like. > features that binarycloud would ultimately depends on. QuerManager depends on Metabase. It is a superior abstraction layer, which I have no intention of switching. I have used Pear DB. I don't like it. :) Of course, you are welcome to use it in your modules instead of queryManager, but you will lose all of the benefits of using QueryManager, of course.. > I personally > would rather see a more suitable/simple wrapper for the database calls, > and extend the extra features of metabase into external tools. I actually would as well. But as it happens, it's in one package, and it's better than anything else I have seen. To boot, it's mature, and fast. > Perhaps this is where I can help contribute once I have more nerves to > play with. Right now, it's only bones and muscle. =] > > a long overdue thanks to alex, for this great incentive. I'm actually going to work on "general" PEAR integration this week, and start distro'ing the bits of PEAR we use in binarycloud/ext. PEAR will be included at Init, so you'll have complete access to the Pear libs. -alex |
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From: alex b. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 03:47:35
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> !@# ok -? > so completely ignore my last message sent .. hehe, caught you by surprise? :) I think some of PEAR is fantastic. But again, I'm keen to use the good parts, not everything just because it's PEAR. Actually, once that is done, it would be great if someone coule take a look at the PEAR cache classes, and see if they would do for caching output from Page. _a > Alex Black wrote: > > thought note that I'll be doing PEAR integration pretty soon :) > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > |
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From: alex b. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 03:41:43
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> An option would be good here so that a user can _save as file_ to any > document, or post safe code locally to browse. -can't save to a file -posting locally requies back-end, which will exist. this is merely a component to be plugged into a larger system. it will be supported by some pretty beefy libs. _a > Jimmy Harlindong wrote: > > With this editor I think we should run the input through a filter to get > > rid of any html tags other than the ones provided through the toolbar > > buttons. And this can be made optional with a param, so it would be > > possible to let the user to type any html. correct :) |
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From: jason <ja...@gr...> - 2001-07-11 03:29:53
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!@# ok -? so completely ignore my last message sent .. Alex Black wrote: > thought note that I'll be doing PEAR integration pretty soon :) |
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From: jason <ja...@gr...> - 2001-07-11 03:27:20
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Which brings up a question. Why selectively use some PEAR classes for
things, and not others. For consistency, would it not make sense to
utilize all new PEAR functionaliy in a sort of wrapper that speaks to
the managers? This of course would only depends on MetaBase having
features that binarycloud would ultimately depends on. I personally
would rather see a more suitable/simple wrapper for the database calls,
and extend the extra features of metabase into external tools.
Perhaps this is where I can help contribute once I have more nerves to
play with. Right now, it's only bones and muscle. =]
a long overdue thanks to alex, for this great incentive.
jason
Jimmy Harlindong wrote:
>
> I tried writing:
> require_once('DB.php');
>
> Got an error message saying cannot redeclare "pear_error".
>
> How can I use Pear DB classes without conflicting with PEAR_Error ?
>
> _______________________________________________
> binarycloud-dev mailing list
> bin...@li...
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev
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From: jason <ja...@gr...> - 2001-07-11 03:01:19
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An option would be good here so that a user can _save as file_ to any document, or post safe code locally to browse. Jimmy Harlindong wrote: > With this editor I think we should run the input through a filter to get > rid of any html tags other than the ones provided through the toolbar > buttons. And this can be made optional with a param, so it would be > possible to let the user to type any html. |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 00:46:15
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for the moment you'd need to remove the reference to Pear erro in Init.
I can't remember the method name, edit binarycloud/base/init/Init.php, in
Startup() there should be an obvious method name.
comment that out, and try again.
thought note that I'll be doing PEAR integration pretty soon :)
_a
> I tried writing:
> require_once('DB.php');
>
> Got an error message saying cannot redeclare "pear_error".
>
> How can I use Pear DB classes without conflicting with PEAR_Error ?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> binarycloud-dev mailing list
> bin...@li...
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev
>
--
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en...@tu...
the turing studio, inc.
http://www.turingstudio.com
vox+510.666.0074
fax+510.666.0093
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-11 00:31:58
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I tried writing:
require_once('DB.php');
Got an error message saying cannot redeclare "pear_error".
How can I use Pear DB classes without conflicting with PEAR_Error ?
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-10 23:33:54
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Alex, It's very nice! I am sure you realise that we need to make the button toggle state visible (e.g. bold or normal) otherwise it's going to confuse some people whom we target this interface for.. Also I am very interested to know the fact that it allows me to insert picture.... How can it be uploaded...? If you checked out some "message board" you see they have a "BB Tags" e.g. [b]....[/b] and they simply convert < and > into html entities to prevent people from messing with the html. With this editor I think we should run the input through a filter to get rid of any html tags other than the ones provided through the toolbar buttons. And this can be made optional with a param, so it would be possible to let the user to type any html. Regards, Jimmy |
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From: Reini U. <ru...@x-...> - 2001-07-10 20:26:15
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with or without cygwin? with cygwin it's basically exactly the same as in linux/freebsd. I noticed no differences. without cygwin some bash/cmd commands are different or not existent. (export => set, no find, no for-done, no if-fi, ...) and I don't think that you will be able to get ms nmake to do the same as gnu make. so better get cygwin. John Donagher schrieb: > I've been following this discussion a bit; it would be cool if the various > folks with non-Linux platforms put together an INSTALL document (the current > INSTALL document contains a broken HTTP link) for various platforms which are > outside of the current development environments. Linux is, to my knowledge, the > only operating system that binarycloud is being _developed_ on, but as long as > it works(?) under FreeBSD and WIN32, we should leverage that. It would also > help move this traffic off of the development list. > > John > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Alby Lash wrote: > > I figured out to put "env BCHOME=c:/cygwin/usr/binarycloud/r2/binarycloud/" > > and then I get a list of the environment variables and can see that its > > listed there. However, I still get the same grep error... my cygwin grep/sed from the main Makefile works okay for me. only the main Makefile.in should better have a fallback for BCHOME, like a shell call to if [ -x BCHOME ]; then BCHOME=`pwd`; fi <quote> 4. set the environment variable BCHOME=c:/path/to/binarycloud 5. edit BCHOME/base/utils/installcode.sh, add #!/bin/sh in the first line 6. edit BCHOME/base/utils/processprepend.php and xml2php.php, replace the first line with #!c:/path/to/php/php.exe -q 7. then let's make, and it should be fine....... :) </quote> okay, step by step for cygwin: (BTW: a sed script for fixing the three shebangs would be nice...) $ cd /cygdrive/r/php/bc/cvs $ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@209.61.189.150:/home/scm/cvsroot login $ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@209.61.189.150:/home/scm/cvsroot update r2 $ cd r2/binarycloud $ notepad base/utils/installcode.sh $ notepad base/utils/processprepend.php $ notepad base/utils/xml2php.php $ export BCHOME=`pwd`; make -- Reini Urban http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/home/rurban/ |
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