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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-12 23:14:47
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That's a good point :) > I was just thinking today that the Request class is a prime candidate > for inclusion with PEAR. > > Also spent much of the day getting up to speed with Metabase :) Yep, I like :) > -dave > >> For those of you interested why I decided to do this, for a couple reasons: >> >> -I am very much interested to see their reaction >> -We adhere to the coding standards, so "why not?" >> -We may end up merging some of the classes, but if we'' only do that if >> we get the features we need - so I'm happy to do that. (I.e. we had >> discussed adding some things to PEAR_Error, instead of writing a binarycloud >> error class from scratch.) >> -Those doing pear are competent, experienced coders, and it can never >> hurt to have 'em looking at the code. >> >> It's sort of a whim, very much a political experiment. We'll see what we >> see, eh :) >> >> _a -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-12 23:08:50
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no, I need to do a synch, that will happen today :) -a > Alex, > > I checked out a virgin copy of bc today and I was wondering about the naming > convention change you announced to be done. It isn't present in cvs :( > > Is the development still within your internal cvs and synches are done > frequently or did i checkout the wrong cvs module (r2) ? > > Andi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Andreas A. <a.a...@th...> - 2001-07-12 22:48:01
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Alex, I checked out a virgin copy of bc today and I was wondering about the naming convention change you announced to be done. It isn't present in cvs :( Is the development still within your internal cvs and synches are done frequently or did i checkout the wrong cvs module (r2) ? Andi |
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From: David W. <dwe...@po...> - 2001-07-12 22:46:23
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I was just thinking today that the Request class is a prime candidate for inclusion with PEAR. Also spent much of the day getting up to speed with Metabase :) -dave >For those of you interested why I decided to do this, for a couple reasons: > > -I am very much interested to see their reaction > -We adhere to the coding standards, so "why not?" > -We may end up merging some of the classes, but if we'' only do that if >we get the features we need - so I'm happy to do that. (I.e. we had >discussed adding some things to PEAR_Error, instead of writing a binarycloud >error class from scratch.) > -Those doing pear are competent, experienced coders, and it can never >hurt to have 'em looking at the code. > >It's sort of a whim, very much a political experiment. We'll see what we >see, eh :) > >_a -- David Weingart dwe...@po... The foot can split wood, but it can't split a watermelon. |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-12 21:42:48
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> In my BC2 tree, I've got binarycloud/user/htdocs/, but this isn't how I got
> the sample to work.
> Wouldn't the page.php file be in the build dir? Or is this after you do a
> make?
Page.php is the page class, that's in
binarycloud/build/{lang}/binarycloud/core/Page.php after the make.
pages in user/htdocs/ go into binarycluod/build/{lang}/htdocs/
> A side note: As I was perusing the folders that are mentioned further down,
> I tried to open /user/htdocs/index.php with an error:
>
>>>>
> Warning: Failed opening './prepend.php' for inclusion (include_path='') in
> c:\htdocs\cygwin\usr\r2\binarycloud\user\htdocs\index.php on line 11
yes, that will never work. you can't do anything useful out of the non-make
(i.e. source) tree.
The source tree isn't functional at all, imports won't work, etc.
Everything now requires that you do a make.
> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: import() in
> c:\htdocs\cygwin\usr\r2\binarycloud\user\htdocs\index.php on line 13
> <<<
>
> I imagine this is because the file is not in the right directory
> yet...right? It will or another version will move to the
> /build/_sitename_/htdocs folder after the move...? Sorry I am a bit
> confused....
You need to point apache at binarycloud/build/{lang}/htdocs/index.php, _not_
binarucloud/user/htdocs/index.php
:)
_a
>
> *****Quote*****
>> yes!
>
>>> 1. Create the page at /user/htdocs/page.php (this will load prepend.php,
>>> and the Init class)
>>>
>>> 2. Create the layout at /user/tmpl/html/layout/page.php (this will have
>>> the layout template including HTML)
>>>
>>> 3. Create the module at /user/mod/page/page.php (this will be the module
>>> class with constructor and Output())
>>>
>>> 4. Create the module specific template at /user/mod/page/html/page.php
>>> (this will contain the html stuff)
> *****/Quote*****
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From: Alby L. <al...@th...> - 2001-07-12 21:24:37
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Oops - I am lost. In my BC2 tree, I've got binarycloud/user/htdocs/, but this isn't how I got the sample to work. Wouldn't the page.php file be in the build dir? Or is this after you do a make? A side note: As I was perusing the folders that are mentioned further down, I tried to open /user/htdocs/index.php with an error: >>> Warning: Failed opening './prepend.php' for inclusion (include_path='') in c:\htdocs\cygwin\usr\r2\binarycloud\user\htdocs\index.php on line 11 Fatal error: Call to undefined function: import() in c:\htdocs\cygwin\usr\r2\binarycloud\user\htdocs\index.php on line 13 <<< I imagine this is because the file is not in the right directory yet...right? It will or another version will move to the /build/_sitename_/htdocs folder after the move...? Sorry I am a bit confused.... Alby *****Quote***** > yes! > > 1. Create the page at /user/htdocs/page.php (this will load prepend.php, > > and the Init class) > > > > 2. Create the layout at /user/tmpl/html/layout/page.php (this will have > > the layout template including HTML) > > > > 3. Create the module at /user/mod/page/page.php (this will be the module > > class with constructor and Output()) > > > > 4. Create the module specific template at /user/mod/page/html/page.php > > (this will contain the html stuff) *****/Quote***** |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-12 19:22:48
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For those of you interested why I decided to do this, for a couple reasons:
-I am very much interested to see their reaction
-We adhere to the coding standards, so "why not?"
-We may end up merging some of the classes, but if we'' only do that if
we get the features we need - so I'm happy to do that. (I.e. we had
discussed adding some things to PEAR_Error, instead of writing a binarycloud
error class from scratch.)
-Those doing pear are competent, experienced coders, and it can never
hurt to have 'em looking at the code.
It's sort of a whim, very much a political experiment. We'll see what we
see, eh :)
_a
> I think you stand to meet some significant resistance here. One of PEAR's
> goals
> is synergy and non-replication. You'll effectively be giving PEAR its second
> database abstraction layer, as well as some other things..
>
> The exposure is good though.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Alex Black wrote:
>
>> hi all,
>>
>> I'm going to establish a subdir in the pear core cvs: binarycloud/
>>
>> I'm _not_ going to move primary development to php cvs, but from now on I
>> intend to maintain a fairly up-to-date synch to the pear repository.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> _alex
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> alex black, ceo
>> en...@tu...
>>
>> the turing studio, inc.
>> http://www.turingstudio.com
>>
>> vox+510.666.0074
>> fax+510.666.0093
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> binarycloud-dev mailing list
>> bin...@li...
>> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev
>>
>>
--
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en...@tu...
the turing studio, inc.
http://www.turingstudio.com
vox+510.666.0074
fax+510.666.0093
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-12 19:18:46
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Stig seemed to think it was fine. And he _must_ remember what bc is, so we'll see. I'm doing this intentionally to see if they get pissy :) > The exposure is good though. That's what I'm thinking. Even if it makes trouble, people see it, and some think it's really cool. _a > I think you stand to meet some significant resistance here. One of PEAR's > goals > is synergy and non-replication. You'll effectively be giving PEAR its second > database abstraction layer, as well as some other things.. > > The exposure is good though. > > John > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Alex Black wrote: > >> hi all, >> >> I'm going to establish a subdir in the pear core cvs: binarycloud/ >> >> I'm _not_ going to move primary development to php cvs, but from now on I >> intend to maintain a fairly up-to-date synch to the pear repository. >> >> :) >> >> _alex >> >> >> >> -- >> alex black, ceo >> en...@tu... >> >> the turing studio, inc. >> http://www.turingstudio.com >> >> vox+510.666.0074 >> fax+510.666.0093 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> binarycloud-dev mailing list >> bin...@li... >> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev >> >> -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-12 19:08:56
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> Hi. I've been following the list for a while and remember a post a few
> months ago by Alex that showed the state of affairs for various portions
> for the core system. I'm very interested in using BC, but I've been
> waiting to hear that it has reached a point that it could be considered
> "ready" to start using. Granted, I still have plenty to learn regarding
> the proper use of the system. However, I'm very anxious to start a
> project using it.
It really depends on what you need to do with it. The page render pipeline
is pretty much complete (I'm sure there will be tweaks, but in general it
works and is really, really fast.)
Database connectivity is possible now, if you are willing to do
include_once. It will be possible with imports soon, when we incorporate
binarycloud/ext into the make process.
The more advanced tools are going to take a little time. The new
Authentication system is ridiculously powerful and extensible, but that
comes at a cost: extra time spent. Similar situations exist with the other
core components.
I'm doing the best I can to schedule things to go out so people can continue
developing apps while we continue with building the system, but at the same
time we are building something fairly deep and complex.
I am of the opinion that it's worth it :)
> Michael Ledet
> Spire Network Services
So:
-part of the system is ready
-much of the advanced toolset hasn't been integrated (think huge time
savings)
-some of the important core components are either not done, or not
mature.
_alex
--
alex black, ceo
en...@tu...
the turing studio, inc.
http://www.turingstudio.com
vox+510.666.0074
fax+510.666.0093
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From: John D. <jo...@we...> - 2001-07-12 19:03:57
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I think you stand to meet some significant resistance here. One of PEAR's goals is synergy and non-replication. You'll effectively be giving PEAR its second database abstraction layer, as well as some other things.. The exposure is good though. John On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Alex Black wrote: > hi all, > > I'm going to establish a subdir in the pear core cvs: binarycloud/ > > I'm _not_ going to move primary development to php cvs, but from now on I > intend to maintain a fairly up-to-date synch to the pear repository. > > :) > > _alex > > > > -- > alex black, ceo > en...@tu... > > the turing studio, inc. > http://www.turingstudio.com > > vox+510.666.0074 > fax+510.666.0093 > > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > > -- John Donagher Application Engineer Intacct Corp. - Powerful Accounting on the Web 408-395-0989 720 University Ave. Los Gatos CA 95032 www.intacct.com Public key available off http://www.keyserver.net Key fingerprint = 4024 DF50 56EE 19A3 258A D628 22DE AD56 EEBE 8DDD |
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From: Michael L. <ml...@sp...> - 2001-07-12 18:49:24
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Hi. I've been following the list for a while and remember a post a few months ago by Alex that showed the state of affairs for various portions for the core system. I'm very interested in using BC, but I've been waiting to hear that it has reached a point that it could be considered "ready" to start using. Granted, I still have plenty to learn regarding the proper use of the system. However, I'm very anxious to start a project using it. Michael Ledet Spire Network Services |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-12 18:32:32
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hi all, I'm going to establish a subdir in the pear core cvs: binarycloud/ I'm _not_ going to move primary development to php cvs, but from now on I intend to maintain a fairly up-to-date synch to the pear repository. :) _alex -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-12 18:20:37
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> Further to my previous email, I have made this change on the Makefile > inside /path/to/binarycloud/user/htdocs > > HTDOCFILES=`find ./ -name '*' | grep -v './resources' | grep -v './' ` > > it will include the rest of the files as well. Not sure if that's what > was intended but at the moment I need my site to work. > > I'd also like to know if anyone ever managed to get a database > connection working with Metabase. I also noticed it is not currently > possible to import() it since it is outside the binarycloud/base or > /user path. ext/ isn't part of the make system yet, it will be soon. the best place to look is binarycloud r1 (binarycloud/user/db/objects/bc_global_db.inc) for the metabase config array. > I think QueryManager needs to be finished before anything else.... oh > well auth and perm is also important but QM should be #1 as I think auth > and perm would also run on top of QM Yep, a lot of that stuff is coming :) _a -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-12 18:20:37
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yes! :) > Hi, > > I can start to see a pattern in having a page up: > > 1. Create the page at /user/htdocs/page.php (this will load prepend.php, > and the Init class) > > 2. Create the layout at /user/tmpl/html/layout/page.php (this will have > the layout template including HTML) > > 3. Create the module at /user/mod/page/page.php (this will be the module > class with constructor and Output()) > > 4. Create the module specific template at /user/mod/page/html/page.php > (this will contain the html stuff) > > Am I doing it right so far? > > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-12 18:20:32
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excellent! you rule! these are in CVS today.. _a > hi all, > > here is the more detail make/r2 windows tutorial, please have your say > here. > happy hacking :) > > ronald > > Ronald TAO > ron...@ho... > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-12 18:18:41
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> Please let us know when the 'general questions' list have been created, > coz surely I would be one of the 'active' member in it <g> > > By the way, what is the proper way to create 'another' page in htdocs? cd binarycloud/user/htdocs/ cp index.php foo.php edit foo.php. > Say I want to create /path/to/binarycloud/user/htdocs/news.php > it did not get included in the build. I noticed the Makefile only > specifically include the 4 files in htdocs, and all of ./resources. You'll need to add your page to htdocs. That will change in future. _a > Is this just a shortcut to 'get it out' or is it meant to only include > those 4 files? If so how can I have other pages or subdirectories in the > build? > > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-12 06:18:10
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Hi, I can start to see a pattern in having a page up: 1. Create the page at /user/htdocs/page.php (this will load prepend.php, and the Init class) 2. Create the layout at /user/tmpl/html/layout/page.php (this will have the layout template including HTML) 3. Create the module at /user/mod/page/page.php (this will be the module class with constructor and Output()) 4. Create the module specific template at /user/mod/page/html/page.php (this will contain the html stuff) Am I doing it right so far? |
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-12 06:09:49
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Further to my previous email, I have made this change on the Makefile inside /path/to/binarycloud/user/htdocs HTDOCFILES=`find ./ -name '*' | grep -v './resources' | grep -v './' ` it will include the rest of the files as well. Not sure if that's what was intended but at the moment I need my site to work. I'd also like to know if anyone ever managed to get a database connection working with Metabase. I also noticed it is not currently possible to import() it since it is outside the binarycloud/base or /user path. I think QueryManager needs to be finished before anything else.... oh well auth and perm is also important but QM should be #1 as I think auth and perm would also run on top of QM |
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From: Jimmy H. <ji...@ha...> - 2001-07-12 06:01:34
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Please let us know when the 'general questions' list have been created, coz surely I would be one of the 'active' member in it <g> By the way, what is the proper way to create 'another' page in htdocs? Say I want to create /path/to/binarycloud/user/htdocs/news.php it did not get included in the build. I noticed the Makefile only specifically include the 4 files in htdocs, and all of ./resources. Is this just a shortcut to 'get it out' or is it meant to only include those 4 files? If so how can I have other pages or subdirectories in the build? |
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From: TAO R. <ron...@ho...> - 2001-07-12 05:23:09
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hi all, here is the more detail make/r2 windows tutorial, please have your say here. happy hacking :) ronald Ronald TAO ron...@ho... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. |
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From: TAO R. <ron...@ho...> - 2001-07-12 04:03:27
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alex, it's not a big deal.... just give me a minute..... ronald >The only standard that I would like is that it be extremely detailed. > >Ronald, are you happy to write the make/r2 tutorial for windows? > >best, > >_alex > > > Alex, > > > > Another suggestion included having someone do a write up on some of the > > stuff we've discussed here including a win2K install. Do you have any > > standards for doing so? I could lend a hand, often times useful info gets > > lost in a list like this. > > > > Alby _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 21:46:28
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hi all, for those of you interested, there is now a cvs commit list that runs from the core repository: http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-cvs-commit to subscrbe, list address is: bin...@li... That list will be auto-sent all commits and bugs. best, -alex -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 18:56:36
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groovy, got 'em, thanks :):) _a > > I stuck the directions provided by Ronald Tao for installing under > Cygwin/WIN32 > in cvs, in a file called INSTALL.WIN32 in the root of the binarycloud source > tree. Anyone using that platform who can take a look and confirm/enhance that > document would be appreciated. > > John > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Alby Lash wrote: > >> Alex, >> >> Another suggestion included having someone do a write up on some of the >> stuff we've discussed here including a win2K install. Do you have any >> standards for doing so? I could lend a hand, often times useful info gets >> lost in a list like this. >> >> Alby >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "alex black" <en...@tu...> >> To: <bin...@li...> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:47 PM >> Subject: [binarycloud-dev] list-split >> >> >>> hi all, >>> >>> John (Donagher) just suggested that I split the lists (which I had >> intended >>> to do at some point) now, given the amount of traffic, etc. >>> >>> I think that's a timely suggestion, so I'm going to do it: >>> >>> binarycloud-dev (development discussions, no user support) >>> binarycloud-cvs (cvs commit notices) >>> binarycloud-announce (if I feel like babbling) >>> binarycloud-general (for general questions) >>> >>> I particularly like the addition of the binarycloud-cvs commit list, it >> will >>> give everyone a good sense of the amount of activity :) >>> >>> btw, I have done that variable change, and will be synching a new tarball >>> tomorrow. >>> >>> _alex >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "jason" <ja...@gr...> >>> To: <bin...@li...> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 8:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [binarycloud-dev] Question on using PEAR DB >>> >>> >>>> !@# ok -? >>>> so completely ignore my last message sent .. >>>> >>>> >>>> Alex Black wrote: >>>>> thought note that I'll be doing PEAR integration pretty soon :) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> binarycloud-dev mailing list >>>> bin...@li... >>>> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> binarycloud-dev mailing list >>> bin...@li... >>> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> binarycloud-dev mailing list >> bin...@li... >> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev >> >> -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 18:54:36
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> I have to agree with alex on this. > I've been working with 2 different systems. > One, running NAS(netscape application server) 4.0, > with all the servlets/EJB/JSP architecture > mumbo-jumbo. > And the other, running PHP4. > > It turns out that the NAS, having only served > 20-customer have a CPU utilization of nearly 80% > while the system running PHP4, only utilize about 25% > of the CPU. :) > And FYI, the NAS is hosted on a E10K server with a > spec beyond this realm of existence, while the PHP > system is hosted on a humble DELL Pentium III PC with > only 256Mb Ram with a single CPU. :) I love php :) > Both system run more or less the same application. > It turns out that for the NAS system, we have to incur > additional cost to hire the so-called "NAS specialist" > to identify the bottleneck and "optimize" further the > system...puhhlleaassee...still they only managed to heh. > I can do way much better using PHP. The only good > thing about using NAS is that you can have somebody > else to blame for the crappy performance. Yes! I was involved with a project using jrun a while ago, not only was it buggy (lots of padding at the top and bottom of every file, or it would crash, no double-byte chars, etc etc) it was a pain in the a** to work with. Of everything I've worked with, php is both the fastest and most efficient. of course, because it doesn't force any structure, it's easy to write spaghetti if you're not thinking about it. (problem solved :) _a -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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From: Alex B. <en...@tu...> - 2001-07-11 18:50:52
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no, there are no more auto-prepends. "_) make sure that you are using binarycloud/build/lang_code/htdocs as your docroot, not binarycloud/user/htdocs/ there aren't really installation docs yet, though there will be - mostly because the installation process is still evolving and it seems futile to try and keep up until I'm satisfied that it's basically final. _a > Thanks that got it, I should of guessed it was looking for that, don't know > why it never occured to me. > > Are there any more installation docs, still getting an inclusion error > looking for prepend.php, guess I need to get out the ole .htaccess file and > set some configuration options. > > > -Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jimmy Harlindong [mailto:ji...@ha...] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:50 AM > To: bin...@li... > Subject: RE: [binarycloud-dev] r2 make > > >> make[2]: > /home/mfaine/www/r2/binarycloud/base/utils/processprepend.php: Command > not found > > Edit the file above (processprepend.php) and change the shebang line to > point to where your php is installed > > Mine is on /usr/local/lib/php (freebsd - iirc) > > > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > > _______________________________________________ > binarycloud-dev mailing list > bin...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/binarycloud-dev > -- alex black, ceo en...@tu... the turing studio, inc. http://www.turingstudio.com vox+510.666.0074 fax+510.666.0093 |
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