Re: [Audacity-devel] Dynamic Compressor Effect

[Max M. <mm...@po...>]

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> Hi all,
> 
> since Audacity 3.0.2 is released now, I rebased my Compressor effect
> onto the latest master.
> 
> Max
> 
> On Sunday, 28 March 2021 at 13:46, Max Maisel wrote:
> > Hi James,
> > 
> > it's no problem for me to wait for the 3.0.1 release.
> > 
> > The latency is mainly caused by various kinds of lookahead. One
> > lookahead is selected directly by the user, another lookahead is
> > implicit in case of the exponential fit envelope detector because
> > the
> > algorithm needs to process the signal backwards in the attack
> > stage.
> > 
> > Latencies in the range of minutes are extreme cases if users select
> > high lookahead times or, in case of exponential fit, high attack
> > times.
> > But I don't want to limit the ranges of the lookahead and attack
> > time
> > sliders for offline processing just because of latency in realtime
> > mode.
> > 
> > When using the analog simulation envelope detector together with
> > low
> > lookahead (a few milliseconds) like a real analog compressor, there
> > is
> > almost no noticably latency.
> > 
> > Max
> > 
> > On Saturday, 27 March 2021 at 14:41, James Crook wrote:
> > > Hi Max.
> > > 
> > > The previous update I had on this was about the long latency.
> > > Disabling realtime preview is sort of OK, but something seems
> > > wrong.
> > > A one minute latency is colossal.  That points to something
> > > underlying wrong.
> > > 
> > > Also 3.0.1 has now become very very much a maintenance release
> > > for
> > > addressing the 3.0.0 unitary project issues.  Paul would love to
> > > get
> > > some structural 
> > > changes in that improve independence between pieces of code, and
> > > I
> > > am
> > > saying no.
> > > We'd also like to get portaudio and FFmpeg library updates in,
> > > and
> > > I
> > > am saying no.
> > > 
> > > It is pretty clear that the release after 3.0.1 is going to be
> > > quite
> > > soon, so as RM 
> > > I'm sorry to have to say that your compressor will have to sit
> > > out
> > > for 3.0.1.
> > > 
> > > 3.0.1 is due to actually release on 17th April, so it's a further
> > > delay of about 3 
> > > weeks for you in seeing progress on your compressor getting in to
> > > Audacity.
> > > 
> > > Is there a good reason for the very long latency?
> > > 
> > > --James.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 at 07:56, Max Maisel <mm...@po...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > I've polished my Dynamic Compressor effect and think it is
> > > > ready
> > > > now
> > > > for inclusion.
> > > > 
> > > > Since my last mail (see
> > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/audacity/mailman/message/37109016/ fo
> > > > r
> > > > the
> > > > initial message), I mainly reworked the user interface accoring
> > > > to
> > > > your
> > > > feedback and fixed several bugs.
> > > > 
> > > > The effect is basically realtime capable but for now realtime
> > > > preview
> > > > is disabled after some discussion with Steve because there are
> > > > bad user experience due to high processing latency in the
> > > > effect
> > > > at
> > > > some settings.
> > > > 
> > > > Main probleme here is, that the RealtimeEffectManager gives the
> > > > effect
> > > > a small block, e.g. 256 samples, and expects the same amount of
> > > > samples
> > > > in return. So if an effect like my compressor has a high
> > > > processing
> > > > latency, there can be an initial silence for over one minute
> > > > which
> > > > the
> > > > users will think is a bug. Any changes made to the effect
> > > > settings
> > > > will
> > > > only take effect after this long time as well.
> > > > 
> > > > A possible solution would be latency compensation in the
> > > > RealtimeEffectManager so that the effect can request the
> > > > required
> > > > amount of samples in advance at the beginning or when the user
> > > > changes
> > > > settings. The silence at the beginning can then be discarded so
> > > > that
> > > > users do not notice it. But this is out of scope of the
> > > > compressor
> > > > effect changes.
> > > > 
> > > > The lastest revision including CI builds can be found in my
> > > > pull
> > > > request at https://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/676.
> > > > 
> > > > The latest documentation for the effect is can be found at
> > > > https://alphamanual.audacityteam.org/man/Dynamic_Compressor.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm looking forward to further feedback and integration.
> > > > 
> > > > Max
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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