Re: [Audacity-quality] How to cut / delete one label without moving others
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Re: [Audacity-quality] How to cut / delete one label without moving others
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From: Steve t. F. <ste...@gm...> - 2017-06-30 19:56:33
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On 30 June 2017 at 19:19, Gale Andrews <ga...@au...> wrote: > Steve wrote: > >> In Audacity 2.1.3, "Edit > Remove Audio" was called "Edit > Remove Special". >> Unless someone has a better idea, I suggest that we go back to the >> 2.1.3 nomenclature for this sub-menu, because "Remove Audio" is >> misleading / wrong, and we remove the wavetrack flag for "Split >> Delete". This will have some impact on the manual. Any objections to me doing this, or any better ideas? Steve > > +1. Fixes the problem and saves arguing for now about some other > rearrangement of Edit Menu. > > > Gale > > > On 30 June 2017 at 17:42, Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm...> wrote: >> On 30 June 2017 at 17:30, Gale Andrews <ga...@au...> wrote: >>> On 30 June 2017 at 15:26, Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm...> wrote: >>>> This fule nose that I can delete the selected LABEL without moving others with: >>>> "Edit menu > Remove AUDIO > Split Cut" >>>> >>>> A couple of things here: >>>> 1) Unexpected that to remove a "label" you have to go into the remove >>>> "audio" sub-menu. >>> >>> I guess it's a consequence of the grouping decision that was made. >>> >>> The problem is where to put the command for deletion or cut that >>> does not affect the following labels. The user was "expecting this to >>> be in the context menu of any marker within the selection". I think >>> I would say it should be in the context menu of the region drawn in >>> the label track. >>> >>> >>>> 2) Why is "Split Delete" greyed out and "Split Cut" not greyed out? >>> >>> No-one answered that on feedback@. It is easily fixed, I still see no >>> reason not to fix it. >> >> I have an answer, but it's not a good one, hence this thread. >> >> By rights, the "Split Cut" command should also be greyed out because >> it is a sub-menu item of "Edit > Remove Audio". If not audio is >> selected (including no "auto select") then no audio can be deleted, so >> the command should be greyed out. >> >> However, the "Split Cut / Delete" commands should not be sub-menu >> items of "Remove Audio" because the commands are not specific to audio >> tracks. They also operate on Label and Note tracks. >> >> In Audacity 2.1.3, "Edit > Remove Audio" was called "Edit > Remove Special". >> Unless someone has a better idea, I suggest that we go back to the >> 2.1.3 nomenclature for this sub-menu, because "Remove Audio" is >> misleading / wrong, and we remove the wavetrack flag for "Split >> Delete". >> >> Steve >> >> >>> >>> >>> Gale >>> >>> >>>> On 30 June 2017 at 15:17, Peter Sampson <pet...@gm...> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Peter Sampson >>>>> <pet...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The basic question here implies that you want to delete or cut a selected >>>>>> refgion of a label track without moving the rest of the labels. >>>>>> >>>>>> The shortcut Ctl+Alt+K (Split Delete) use to do that when you had a single >>>>>> or mutiple labels selected in a time range in a label track (only). >>>>>> >>>>>> This shortcut has not worked in many a long time now - I used to use it a >>>>>> lot >>>>>> but just kinda forgot about it ... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "As any fule kno" the "correct" way to delete a label is to right-click on >>>>>> the label >>>>>> and use the dropdown menu delete command that Leland introduced overnight >>>>>> for us at AU14. Though how "discoverable" this is, is somewhat >>>>>> debatable. >>>>>> >>>>>> The previous way to delete a label was to use the backspace or delete key >>>>>> to >>>>>> delete all the characters in the label one by one (Backspace or Delete >>>>>> keys) or >>>>>> all at once (Delete key only) and then use one final backspace todelete >>>>>> the label. >>>>>> This method does still work though I'm not sure why, now that we have >>>>>> Leland's >>>>>> (much quicker and easier) dropdown delete. >>>>>> >>>>>> Obviously text deletion in the label should be allowed but Iwould now not >>>>>> expect >>>>>> Delete or Backspace in an empty label to delete the label (for a start it >>>>>> is too easy >>>>>> to think that all you are doing is using Backspace to remove all the text >>>>>> and then >>>>>> the label has disappeared into thin air. You may not have liked the text >>>>>> - BUT you >>>>>> may have verey carefully marked that point in the audio with the label and >>>>>> really >>>>>> do not want to lose that position. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a *very* important difference between the to methods: >>>>>> a) dropdown>Delete: this can be reverse with the Undo >>>>>> b) backspace delete of label charaters or label does not respond to Undo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Undo here in b) seems to work fine on Mac >>>>> >>>>> I'm now getting odd results on W10 with b) when a single Undo restores the >>>>> labe >>>>> and all its text AND makes a duplicate copy of the label. :-// >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> More later I'm off to do some testing (and reading of the Manual) on the >>>>>> Edit>Labels submenu >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Peter. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Steve the Fiddle >>>>>> <ste...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 June 2017 at 10:39, James Crook <cr...@in...> wrote: >>>>>>> > On 6/30/2017 9:26 AM, Steve the Fiddle wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Prompted by a post to feedback@ >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> 1) Create a project with multiple labels in a label track. >>>>>>> >> 2) Select the first label >>>>>>> >> 3) Open the "Edit" menu and locate the menu command that will cut / >>>>>>> >> delete the label without moving other labels. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Try to look at this as if a new user. There are multiple problems. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Not getting it. >>>>>>> > Remove worked fine for me. What is the problem? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the above, I want to remove a label. >>>>>>> Obvious place to look is in the Edit menu, so let's search the Edit menu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Undo >>>>>>> Redo >>>>>>> Cut -> No. This moves labels that occur later in the track. >>>>>>> Delete -> No. This moves labels that occur later in the track. >>>>>>> Copy >>>>>>> Paste >>>>>>> Duplicate >>>>>>> Remove Audio >>>>>>> Clip Boundaries ? -> No, nothing here. >>>>>>> Labels -> >>>>>>> -> Edit Labels -> Yes, this can do it, but not what I was looking for >>>>>>> -> Add Label at Selection >>>>>>> -> Add Label at Playback Position >>>>>>> -> Paste Text to New Label >>>>>>> -> Cut -> No. This cuts audio. >>>>>>> -> Delete -> No. This deletes audio. >>>>>>> -> Split Cut -> No. This deletes audio. >>>>>>> -> Split Delete -> No. This deletes audio. >>>>>>> -> Silence Audio >>>>>>> -> Copy >>>>>>> -> Split -> No. >>>>>>> -> Join >>>>>>> -> Detach at Silences >>>>>>> -> Type to Create Labels (On/Off) >>>>>>> Metadata >>>>>>> Preferences >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Search failed, command not found :-( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also note: >>>>>>> "Edit > Labels > Cut" >>>>>>> Who would guess that this will cut audio and not the label? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > --James. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Steve >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>> > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > Audacity-quality mailing list >>>>>>> > Aud...@li... >>>>>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Audacity-quality mailing list >>>>>>> Aud...@li... >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Audacity-quality mailing list >>>>> Aud...@li... >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Audacity-quality mailing list >>>> Aud...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Audacity-quality mailing list >>> Aud...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> Audacity-quality mailing list >> Aud...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Audacity-quality mailing list > Aud...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality |
