Re: [Audacity-devel] audacity-devel Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3/ MIDIbility
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Re: [Audacity-devel] audacity-devel Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3/ MIDIbility
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From: Marcus D. / S. <stu...@wa...> - 2017-05-29 19:49:11
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Dear friends, first I wanted to congratulate you for the release of V.2.1.3 and thank all of you for their great contributions!!! - all I could contribute were some Euros a minute ago... Great, that some of you put effort in developing MIDIbility, but may I remind you, that my attempt in 2016 was rather related to MIDI-control of faders, knobs and buttons via an external MIDI controller unit, than composing music with MIDI. (which would be great also, but secondary) because MIDI Control would specially improve visually impaired user´s accessability and workflow in Audacity, as they can not use a mouse to slide faders, push buttons or turn knobs! Meanwhile my announced shortcut emulator "Studioguard Key" has reached some point of usability indeed! Please have a look at this short video of the prototype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HG5F5CUjBg (the announced website studioguard.eu is not finished yet, sry) The blind pro radio producer and musician Robbie Sandberg from Hamburg, (who also contributed his voice for speach of the "Key") has one in use since months for recording and editing his works! Robbie even configured the buttons functions and is my top consultant! My target is a combined MIDI and shortcut controller, because MIDI would allow continous volume & pan changes and not step by step ;-) MIDI mix-automatation could be a desired further step in Audacity... I´m very aware, that it is a hell of a lot of work for you developers, no doubt! I´m confident that one day it will happen though :) I can´t program, but I have all necessary MIDI facilities set up in my studio so all I can offer is testing functions if needed. Thanks again and kind regards to all of you! I´ll follow the thread :) Marcus P.S.: my Mails to blind devel member David Engebretson continousely bounce! Maybe he can contact me via this platform or by using another mailaddress. His provider seems to have blocked my address? Am 03.05.2017 um 16:13 schrieb aud...@li...: > Send audacity-devel mailing list submissions to > aud...@li... > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aud...@li... > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aud...@li... > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of audacity-devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [Audacity-quality] Merging more changes in MIDI track > behavior; how else to improve MIDI tracks? (Paul Licameli) > 2. When scrolling left of zero enabled, negative times in ruler > are no longer blue (Paul Licameli) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 10:22:52 -0400 > From: Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> > Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] [Audacity-quality] Merging more changes > in MIDI track behavior; how else to improve MIDI tracks? > To: Audacity-Devel list <aud...@li...> > Message-ID: > <CAK...@ma...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I got my own travis build and I see it is link failure. > > There is no Makefile.am at all in portmidi, so that library is not complied > on Linux. > > PRL > > > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Steve the Fiddle <ste...@gm...> > wrote: > >> Moved to devel. >> >> Configure and build logs attached. >> >> Steve >> >> On 2 May 2017 at 14:02, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 3:44 AM, Steve the Fiddle >>>>> <ste...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2 May 2017 at 05:58, Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> >> wrote: >>>>>>> I reviewed Pokechu22's work and I have merged the parts considered >>>>>>> ready, >>>>>>> after rebasing the commits and permuting their sequence a bit. Also >>>>>>> the new >>>>>>> call to MakeParentModifyState which I don't doubt is correct. Just >>>>>>> two >>>>>>> commits still left out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For convenience I have also enabled EXPERIMENTAL_MID_OUT on all >>>>>>> platforms. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is "convenient" about pushing code that does not build? >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, I missed that. Well, how difficult is the fix that would make >> it >>>>> build on Linux? >>>>> >>>>> I see this error was in Travis: >>>>> >>>>> cs.po:4752: format specifications in 'msgid' and 'msgstr' for argument >> 1 >>>>> are not the same >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> So is that the same build error you see? >>>> >>>> PRL >>> >>> >>> Ignore that, I misread my logs. >>> >>> PRL >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is not final, but may be reverted before release. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Attention, Pokechu22, QA and Manual: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note tracks are already a feature of released Audacity. Described >>>>>>> below are >>>>>>> new enhancements to editing and visualizing them. These changes are >>>>>>> independent of playback, and so WILL BE IN 2.2.0, even if the rest >> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> project is unready. There are bugs yet, but I expect them to be >>>>>>> easily >>>>>>> fixed in the time frame. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A selection in a Note track should now be silenceable (as with Ctrl >> + >>>>>>> L and >>>>>>> Ctrl + T) and sync-lock adjustments of Note tracks should be >>>>>>> implemented (as >>>>>>> when deleting or inserting in a wave track above it) . These >> features >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> testing. >>>>>>> Ctrl + Shift + F affects both MIDI and Wave track heights. >>>>>>> The old code is now enabled, to draw sixteen toggle buttons that you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> click to hide (and, when playback is enabled, to mute) >> correspondingly >>>>>>> colored notes on the piano roll display. Left to toggle one >> channel, >>>>>>> right >>>>>>> to solo or un-solo that channel. >>>>>>> Undo/Redo restores the state of MIDI channel muting, analogously >> with >>>>>>> wave >>>>>>> track muting state. >>>>>>> The display of the top and bottom edges of the buttons is not right >>>>>>> yet, >>>>>>> perhaps because James independently changed the height of the Mute >> and >>>>>>> Solo >>>>>>> buttons and the sliders. So don't make screen shots yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Probably, some constants in TrackPanel.cpp simply need changing and >>>>>>> that's >>>>>>> all. But I would rather see this fixed with enum names that are >>>>>>> reused, >>>>>>> than still see "magic numbers" (like 19 or 34 or 38 or 48) that >> occur >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> multiple places and look only "coincidentally" the same. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I drag the bottom edge of the note track up, then controls should >>>>>>> disappear as the height becomes too small. But I don't see this >>>>>>> happening >>>>>>> cleanly. The borders of Mute and Solo remain even after those >> buttons >>>>>>> disappear. This does not happen with Wave tracks. Also when the >>>>>>> colored >>>>>>> buttons disappear, a short vertical stroke appears over part of the >>>>>>> menu >>>>>>> button. >>>>>>> Pokechu: I may misunderstand? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> should #define CHANNEL_BIT(c) (1 << (c & ALL_CHANNELS)) >>>>>>> instead read #define CHANNEL_BIT(c) ((1 << c) & ALL_CHANNELS) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The MIDI playback project will invite users to make more use of MIDI >>>>>>> tracks, >>>>>>> and therefore to try editing them. Such existing but little used >>>>>>> editing >>>>>>> features as we already have, need reexamining and improvement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Time-shifting (Repeat, Reverse, Change Speed, Change Tempo) and >>>>>>> pitch-shifting effects (Change Speed again, and Change Pitch) need >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> renewed testing. (These lists may not be exhaustive.) >>>>>>> A change in the status bar message, for mouse-over of the colored >>>>>>> buttons, >>>>>>> is still lacking. (See TrackPanel::SetCursorAndTipWhenInLabel) >>>>>>> It seems that editing operations like copy, cut, paste, delete, etc. >>>>>>> affect >>>>>>> MIDI notes according to whether the onset of the notes is in the >>>>>>> selected >>>>>>> time range. The sustain or release of the notes doesn't matter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is unlike the behavior of wave tracks. This is not to say it's >>>>>>> wrong, >>>>>>> MIDI being a different thing after all. >>>>>>> Whether we agree that it is right or wrong, the editing behavior we >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> should be consistently the right behavior. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a "stretching" feature of note tracks. You can even do it >> in >>>>>>> 2.1.3. But I think its behavior is weird and buggy. How do we fix >> it >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> 2.2.0? If nobody finds the time to fix this feature, then I am >>>>>>> inclined to >>>>>>> disable it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Select a region of a note track. Put the cursor in the selection >> and >>>>>>> near >>>>>>> the middle of the track height. Cursor changes to a box with a >>>>>>> cross-hair. >>>>>>> Click and drag left and right, and see changes in the timing of the >>>>>>> notes, >>>>>>> but not the pitch. >>>>>>> Notes both within the selection, and right of it, but not left of >> it, >>>>>>> can be >>>>>>> changed. >>>>>>> I don't understand the intended behavior. Actual behavior is very >>>>>>> weird. >>>>>>> It is not the case that the results you see are simply a function of >>>>>>> mouse x >>>>>>> coordinate. Rather, results are path dependent. >>>>>>> Incremental changes are not consolidated in Undo history, as we >> would >>>>>>> do for >>>>>>> changes like time-shift of clips. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In my opinion, all editing operations should affect channels >>>>>>> independently >>>>>>> of whether they are mute, just as it is done with wave tracks. The >>>>>>> analogy >>>>>>> makes sense. If you argue for the opposite, still again, whatever >> we >>>>>>> implement should be consistent across all operations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Consider the following speculative implications to be much lower >>>>>>> priority >>>>>>> than the rest of the playback project; defer to future versions if >>>>>>> time does >>>>>>> not permit. Let's think about them some but not get diverted. >>>>>>> Would it make better sense to change display of muted channels in >> the >>>>>>> piano >>>>>>> roll, so they are not completely invisible? >>>>>>> Would we also want some means to edit channels separately too? At >> the >>>>>>> least, perhaps, a drop-down menu item that moves the unmuted >> channels >>>>>>> to a >>>>>>> new note track? >>>>>>> Splitting of a note track into channels suggests merging is needed >>>>>>> too. >>>>>>> Or is my opinion wrong: should the state of colored buttons be a >>>>>>> "selection" state, finer than track selection, and affecting more >> than >>>>>>> playback, but rather affecting all editing? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PRL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Audacity-quality mailing list >>>>>>> Aud...@li... >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Audacity-quality mailing list >>>>>> Aud...@li... >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Audacity-quality mailing list >>> Aud...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-quality >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> audacity-devel mailing list >> aud...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 10:13:15 -0400 > From: Paul Licameli <pau...@gm...> > Subject: [Audacity-devel] When scrolling left of zero enabled, > negative times in ruler are no longer blue > To: Audacity-Devel list <aud...@li...> > Message-ID: > <CAK...@ma...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Is this intended? 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