Thread: [Audacity-devel] Re: Gains/Volumes (was 'New Features available').
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From: James C. <cr...@in...> - 2003-05-05 14:31:49
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----- Original Message ----- From: Juhana Sadeharju <ko...@ni...> Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] New features available > When I connect a gear to input, I calibrate the level once > and permanently. After calibration it does not help to raise > the input level for a weak signal, because the problem is in > the weak signal. One just raises the noise level up. Some people have microphones with fixed pre-amps in them. In fact many computers are supplied with cheap microphones with no pre-amp in them at all - and no shielding on the input cable either. Many of our users are just starting out on using sound and do not have professional sound systems. As you say they will get noise, but they need to set the input gain high to even hear/see their signal! People with an adjustable pre-amp will want to use that and set the input gain quite low on the scale to minimise input line noise. So they need our mixer-input setting too, even if they don't touch it once they have the levels right. Tony: Is there currently anything in the manual about setting up your sound system? I'm sure there are all kinds of tips that would be generally useful that should make it to the manual. > Likewise I calibrate the output once for the output gear (amplifier, > say). If I need to raise the volume, I use a digital gain at the > output signal and the amplifier volume knob. I use headphones directly off the sound card, so this wouldn't work for me. I need an output volume control. > What we need are the hardware mute buttons only, and a digital > gain at the input and at the output. I am not understanding you. The Output Volume and Input Volume controls *are* digital gains. That's what they actually do. Perhaps there should be a preferences setting which changes the displayed units to be in decibels and changes the word 'Volume' to 'Gain'? Is that what you are saying? Is that the change you want? > Summary: take the hardware input/output level faders out, and > replace them with the software digital gains. Are you saying you want a numerical input for greater precision in setting? I need to understand whether we are talking about a big difference in functionality or a small difference in how the existing functionality is presented. At the moment it sounds to me as if it's only the presentation that is an issue. Are you saying we need (option of) much larger gains than currently, with some over-driving protection, which we can easily apply temporarily to very quiet sections of a track to make fine adjustments? That sounds like a big feature, one more for professional users than newbies. I don't think good over-driving protection is easy. We'd need to review what other sytems do and discuss, e.g. how it fits in with amplitude envelopes that can amplify as well as attenuate. If it happens a new feature like that would be post 1.2.0. --James. |
From: Dominic M. <do...@mi...> - 2003-05-05 15:57:00
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James Crook wrote: >>What we need are the hardware mute buttons only, and a digital >>gain at the input and at the output. > > I am not understanding you. The Output Volume and Input Volume > controls *are* digital gains. That's what they actually do. Not necessarily. The sliders in the "mixer toolbar" control the sound card's gains directly using its mixer interface. On some sound cards this could result in applying an analog gain, and on most of the rest of the sound cards, this gain will be applied digitally at higher resolution than the card's interface (24-bit instead of 16-bit). So these controls are quite different than just multiplying a track by a constant, which is what the track gains do. > Perhaps there should be a preferences setting which changes the > displayed units to be in decibels and changes the word 'Volume' > to 'Gain'? Can't do this, because we're accessing the sound card's controls, and there's no way to know what units they're in. They differ from sound card to sound card (in spite of what the various APIs require). If some experienced users don't like the Mixer toolbar, we should have a way to disable it. But in order to support a variety of sound cards, there's no way we can be much more flexible in the implementation or UI than we are now. - Dominic |
From: Shane M. <smu...@um...> - 2003-05-05 16:02:37
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> If some experienced users don't like the Mixer toolbar, we should > have a way to disable it. But in order to support a variety of > sound cards, there's no way we can be much more flexible in the > implementation or UI than we are now. Check out Preferences|Interface|Enable Mixer Toolbar |
From: Dominic M. <do...@mi...> - 2003-05-05 16:47:12
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Shane Mueller wrote: >>If some experienced users don't like the Mixer toolbar, we should >>have a way to disable it. But in order to support a variety of >>sound cards, there's no way we can be much more flexible in the >>implementation or UI than we are now. > > Check out Preferences|Interface|Enable Mixer Toolbar Thanks! Didn't even realize that was there... - Dominic > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Audacity-devel mailing list > Aud...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/audacity-devel |
From: Alexandre P. <av...@al...> - 2003-05-11 11:43:05
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Shane Mueller пишет: >>If some experienced users don't like the Mixer toolbar, we should >>have a way to disable it. But in order to support a variety of >>sound cards, there's no way we can be much more flexible in the >>implementation or UI than we are now. >> >> > >Check out Preferences|Interface|Enable Mixer Toolbar > Yes, but this is a long way to go, isn't it? ;-) A submenu in &View for toolbars, where each toolbar has a checkbox (checked -- enabled, uncheked -- disabled) would be cool. -- Alexandre Prokoudine ALT Linux Documentation Team JabberID: av...@al... |