Thread: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

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For any devs looking into the Japanese language issue(s), there's
additional information in this forum topic that may be useful:
https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=116720

Steve

I also ran in to that IME thing that pikap did.  Just add the Japanese language in Windows:

Settings -> Time & Language -> Language -> Preferred languages -> Add a language

This should also enable the Language toolbar to the Windows Taskbar.  If you open Audacity, change the language in the Taskbar to Japanese (don’t worry…you can change it back and nothing happens visually), and then press a key in Audacity, it will completely freeze.

And I just found some info and a workaround that works perfectly here:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/you-might-have-issues-on-windows-10-version-20h2-and-windows-10-version-2004-when-using-some-microsoft-imes-63696506-47d2-9997-0b72-41a68e328692

Workaround

You can mitigate Issues 3, 5, 6 and 7 in the short term by following the steps below to enable compatibility mode:

1.       Select Start, type Settings, and select it or press enter.

2.       Type IME settings into the search box within Settings and select the IME settings that are appropriate to your language, for example Japanese IME Settings.

3.       Select General.

4.       Turn on Use previous version of Microsoft IME.

Note We do not recommend using the compatibility setting for the long term, but rather as a temporary workaround for users who are impacted by this issue.

From: Steve Fiddle <ste...@gm...> 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 4:34 AM
To: Audacity-Devel list <aud...@li...>
Subject: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

For any devs looking into the Japanese language issue(s), there's additional information in this forum topic that may be useful: https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46 <https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=116720> &t=116720

Steve

This might also have some relevance.  I happened to look into the Japanese language options and found this.  It shows that I DO have the language pack installed, but it did not install any typing support.  I’m trying to work through this now.

From: Leland <ll...@ho...> 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:23 AM
To: aud...@li...
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

I also ran in to that IME thing that pikap did.  Just add the Japanese language in Windows:

Settings -> Time & Language -> Language -> Preferred languages -> Add a language

This should also enable the Language toolbar to the Windows Taskbar.  If you open Audacity, change the language in the Taskbar to Japanese (don’t worry…you can change it back and nothing happens visually), and then press a key in Audacity, it will completely freeze.

And I just found some info and a workaround that works perfectly here:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/you-might-have-issues-on-windows-10-version-20h2-and-windows-10-version-2004-when-using-some-microsoft-imes-63696506-47d2-9997-0b72-41a68e328692

Workaround

You can mitigate Issues 3, 5, 6 and 7 in the short term by following the steps below to enable compatibility mode:

1.       Select Start, type Settings, and select it or press enter.

2.       Type IME settings into the search box within Settings and select the IME settings that are appropriate to your language, for example Japanese IME Settings.

3.       Select General.

4.       Turn on Use previous version of Microsoft IME.

Note We do not recommend using the compatibility setting for the long term, but rather as a temporary workaround for users who are impacted by this issue.

From: Steve Fiddle <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 4:34 AM
To: Audacity-Devel list <aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> >
Subject: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

For any devs looking into the Japanese language issue(s), there's additional information in this forum topic that may be useful: https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46 <https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=116720> &t=116720

Steve

I was able to get past this by fixing Windows Update here, but it still didn’t correct the Audacity freeze.  The only thing that works for me so far is the workaround suggested by Microsoft.

From: Leland <ll...@ho...> 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:31 AM
To: aud...@li...
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

This might also have some relevance.  I happened to look into the Japanese language options and found this.  It shows that I DO have the language pack installed, but it did not install any typing support.  I’m trying to work through this now.

From: Leland <ll...@ho... <mailto:ll...@ho...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:23 AM
To: aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> 
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

I also ran in to that IME thing that pikap did.  Just add the Japanese language in Windows:

Settings -> Time & Language -> Language -> Preferred languages -> Add a language

This should also enable the Language toolbar to the Windows Taskbar.  If you open Audacity, change the language in the Taskbar to Japanese (don’t worry…you can change it back and nothing happens visually), and then press a key in Audacity, it will completely freeze.

And I just found some info and a workaround that works perfectly here:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/you-might-have-issues-on-windows-10-version-20h2-and-windows-10-version-2004-when-using-some-microsoft-imes-63696506-47d2-9997-0b72-41a68e328692

Workaround

You can mitigate Issues 3, 5, 6 and 7 in the short term by following the steps below to enable compatibility mode:

1.       Select Start, type Settings, and select it or press enter.

2.       Type IME settings into the search box within Settings and select the IME settings that are appropriate to your language, for example Japanese IME Settings.

3.       Select General.

4.       Turn on Use previous version of Microsoft IME.

Note We do not recommend using the compatibility setting for the long term, but rather as a temporary workaround for users who are impacted by this issue.

From: Steve Fiddle <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 4:34 AM
To: Audacity-Devel list <aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> >
Subject: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

For any devs looking into the Japanese language issue(s), there's additional information in this forum topic that may be useful: https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46 <https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=116720> &t=116720

Steve

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:40 AM Leland <ll...@ho...> wrote:

> I was able to get past this by fixing Windows Update here, but it still
> didn’t correct the Audacity freeze.  The only thing that works for me so
> far is the workaround suggested by Microsoft.
>

I recall seeing on the Forum this morning that the Japanese user had fixed
this freeze when hitting any key

*And as Homer Simpson once so famously said:   "Where's the "Any" key?"*

Peter.

>
> *From:* Leland <ll...@ho...>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 6:31 AM
> *To:* aud...@li...
> *Subject:* Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues
>
>
>
> This might also have some relevance.  I happened to look into the Japanese
> language options and found this.  It shows that I DO have the language pack
> installed, but it did not install any typing support.  I’m trying to work
> through this now.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Leland <ll...@ho...>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 6:23 AM
> *To:* aud...@li...
> *Subject:* Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues
>
>
>
> I also ran in to that IME thing that pikap did.  Just add the Japanese
> language in Windows:
>
>
>
> Settings -> Time & Language -> Language -> Preferred languages -> Add a
> language
>
>
>
> This should also enable the Language toolbar to the Windows Taskbar.  If
> you open Audacity, change the language in the Taskbar to Japanese (don’t
> worry…you can change it back and nothing happens visually), and then press
> a key in Audacity, it will completely freeze.
>
>
>
> And I just found some info and a workaround that works perfectly here:
>
>
>
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/you-might-have-issues-on-windows-10-version-20h2-and-windows-10-version-2004-when-using-some-microsoft-imes-63696506-47d2-9997-0b72-41a68e328692
>
>
>
> *Workaround*
>
> You can mitigate *Issues 3, 5, 6 and 7 *in the short term by following
> the steps below to enable compatibility mode:
>
> 1.       Select *Start*, type *Settings,* and select it or press enter.
>
> 2.       Type *IME settings* into the search box within *Settings* and
> select the IME settings that are appropriate to your language, for example *Japanese
> IME Settings*.
>
> 3.       Select *General*.
>
> 4.       Turn on *Use previous version of Microsoft IME*.
>
> *Note* We do not recommend using the compatibility setting for the long
> term, but rather as a temporary workaround for users who are impacted by
> this issue.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Fiddle <ste...@gm...>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 4:34 AM
> *To:* Audacity-Devel list <aud...@li...>
> *Subject:* [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues
>
>
>
> For any devs looking into the Japanese language issue(s), there's
> additional information in this forum topic that may be useful:
> https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=116720
>
>
>
> Steve
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>

Well, I’ve tracked it down to commit b32ce8ab210700fe3de23353b6ff504b70e5ef7f. If I build that commit, Audacity freezes when I try to type a Japanese character.  If I build the previous commit, 98d86039316d87b7c81b97eb757b6af2b0c99728, there is no such freeze and I can type Japanese characters just fine.

But, it makes absolutely no sense to me.  That commit shouldn’t have anything at all to do with keyboard input.

Would be nice if someone else could confirm this as well.

From: Peter Sampson <pet...@gm...> 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:58 AM
To: Devel <aud...@li...>; Peter Sampson <pet...@gm...>
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:40 AM Leland <ll...@ho... <mailto:ll...@ho...> > wrote:

I was able to get past this by fixing Windows Update here, but it still didn’t correct the Audacity freeze.  The only thing that works for me so far is the workaround suggested by Microsoft.

I recall seeing on the Forum this morning that the Japanese user had fixed this freeze when hitting any key

And as Homer Simpson once so famously said:   "Where's the "Any" key?"

Peter.

From: Leland <ll...@ho... <mailto:ll...@ho...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:31 AM
To: aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> 
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

This might also have some relevance.  I happened to look into the Japanese language options and found this.  It shows that I DO have the language pack installed, but it did not install any typing support.  I’m trying to work through this now.

From: Leland <ll...@ho... <mailto:ll...@ho...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:23 AM
To: aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> 
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

I also ran in to that IME thing that pikap did.  Just add the Japanese language in Windows:

Settings -> Time & Language -> Language -> Preferred languages -> Add a language

This should also enable the Language toolbar to the Windows Taskbar.  If you open Audacity, change the language in the Taskbar to Japanese (don’t worry…you can change it back and nothing happens visually), and then press a key in Audacity, it will completely freeze.

And I just found some info and a workaround that works perfectly here:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/you-might-have-issues-on-windows-10-version-20h2-and-windows-10-version-2004-when-using-some-microsoft-imes-63696506-47d2-9997-0b72-41a68e328692

Workaround

You can mitigate Issues 3, 5, 6 and 7 in the short term by following the steps below to enable compatibility mode:

1.       Select Start, type Settings, and select it or press enter.

2.       Type IME settings into the search box within Settings and select the IME settings that are appropriate to your language, for example Japanese IME Settings.

3.       Select General.

4.       Turn on Use previous version of Microsoft IME.

Note We do not recommend using the compatibility setting for the long term, but rather as a temporary workaround for users who are impacted by this issue.

From: Steve Fiddle <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 4:34 AM
To: Audacity-Devel list <aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> >
Subject: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

For any devs looking into the Japanese language issue(s), there's additional information in this forum topic that may be useful: https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46 <https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=116720> &t=116720

Steve

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It’s not a 32-bit vs 64-bit thing.  It’s not a VS2017 vs VS2019 thing.  It just doesn’t make any sense.  That commit should not be causing this.

From: Leland <ll...@ho...> 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 7:36 AM
To: aud...@li...
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

Well, I’ve tracked it down to commit b32ce8ab210700fe3de23353b6ff504b70e5ef7f. If I build that commit, Audacity freezes when I try to type a Japanese character.  If I build the previous commit, 98d86039316d87b7c81b97eb757b6af2b0c99728, there is no such freeze and I can type Japanese characters just fine.

But, it makes absolutely no sense to me.  That commit shouldn’t have anything at all to do with keyboard input.

Would be nice if someone else could confirm this as well.

From: Peter Sampson <pet...@gm... <mailto:pet...@gm...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:58 AM
To: Devel <aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> >; Peter Sampson <pet...@gm... <mailto:pet...@gm...> >
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:40 AM Leland <ll...@ho... <mailto:ll...@ho...> > wrote:

I was able to get past this by fixing Windows Update here, but it still didn’t correct the Audacity freeze.  The only thing that works for me so far is the workaround suggested by Microsoft.

I recall seeing on the Forum this morning that the Japanese user had fixed this freeze when hitting any key

And as Homer Simpson once so famously said:   "Where's the "Any" key?"

Peter.

From: Leland <ll...@ho... <mailto:ll...@ho...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:31 AM
To: aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> 
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

This might also have some relevance.  I happened to look into the Japanese language options and found this.  It shows that I DO have the language pack installed, but it did not install any typing support.  I’m trying to work through this now.

From: Leland <ll...@ho... <mailto:ll...@ho...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:23 AM
To: aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> 
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

I also ran in to that IME thing that pikap did.  Just add the Japanese language in Windows:

Settings -> Time & Language -> Language -> Preferred languages -> Add a language

This should also enable the Language toolbar to the Windows Taskbar.  If you open Audacity, change the language in the Taskbar to Japanese (don’t worry…you can change it back and nothing happens visually), and then press a key in Audacity, it will completely freeze.

And I just found some info and a workaround that works perfectly here:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/you-might-have-issues-on-windows-10-version-20h2-and-windows-10-version-2004-when-using-some-microsoft-imes-63696506-47d2-9997-0b72-41a68e328692

Workaround

You can mitigate Issues 3, 5, 6 and 7 in the short term by following the steps below to enable compatibility mode:

1.       Select Start, type Settings, and select it or press enter.

2.       Type IME settings into the search box within Settings and select the IME settings that are appropriate to your language, for example Japanese IME Settings.

3.       Select General.

4.       Turn on Use previous version of Microsoft IME.

Note We do not recommend using the compatibility setting for the long term, but rather as a temporary workaround for users who are impacted by this issue.

From: Steve Fiddle <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 4:34 AM
To: Audacity-Devel list <aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> >
Subject: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

For any devs looking into the Japanese language issue(s), there's additional information in this forum topic that may be useful: https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46 <https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=116720> &t=116720

Steve

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Hi Leland,

maybe creating a callstack from that freeze might help to get some idea 
what function resulted in that freeze. Using windbg should also allow 
this kind of debugging on windows.

Am 22.03.2021 um 13:58 schrieb Leland:
> It’s not a 32-bit vs 64-bit thing.  It’s not a VS2017 vs VS2019 thing.  It just doesn’t make any sense.  That commit should not be causing this.
> 

Just my 2cents..

Kind regards, Joost

Well, I guess I was right…it didn’t make any sense at all.  It still doesn’t, but I can no longer recreate the issue after installing Windows updates.  Along with driver updates, ther other updates installed were:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb4589212-intel-microcode-updates-for-windows-10-version-2004-and-20h2-and-windows-server-version-2004-and-20h2-9f8641b3-bd8e-6fe7-ab4d-4603847c4030

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/february-24-2021-kb4601554-cumulative-update-preview-for-net-framework-3-5-and-4-8-for-windows-10-version-2004-windows-server-version-2004-windows-10-version-20h2-and-windows-server-version-20h2-958fff0c-783b-27b3-8a93-226f7798225a

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb4577586-update-for-the-removal-of-adobe-flash-player-october-27-2020-931521b9-075a-ce54-b9af-ff3d5da047d5

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/march-18-2021-kb5001649-os-builds-19041-870-and-19042-870-out-of-band-ebbe0617-3a63-467a-aaaa-2a4c68a6de33

Since that last one seemed to be the most likely candidate for fixing it, I went ahead and uninstalled it.  Still unable to reproduce the problem.  I may get more ambitious later today and uninstall the others…maybe. 

From: Leland <ll...@ho...> 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 7:58 AM
To: aud...@li...
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

It’s not a 32-bit vs 64-bit thing.  It’s not a VS2017 vs VS2019 thing.  It just doesn’t make any sense.  That commit should not be causing this.

From: Leland <ll...@ho... <mailto:ll...@ho...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 7:36 AM
To: aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> 
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

Well, I’ve tracked it down to commit b32ce8ab210700fe3de23353b6ff504b70e5ef7f. If I build that commit, Audacity freezes when I try to type a Japanese character.  If I build the previous commit, 98d86039316d87b7c81b97eb757b6af2b0c99728, there is no such freeze and I can type Japanese characters just fine.

But, it makes absolutely no sense to me.  That commit shouldn’t have anything at all to do with keyboard input.

Would be nice if someone else could confirm this as well.

From: Peter Sampson <pet...@gm... <mailto:pet...@gm...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:58 AM
To: Devel <aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> >; Peter Sampson <pet...@gm... <mailto:pet...@gm...> >
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:40 AM Leland <ll...@ho... <mailto:ll...@ho...> > wrote:

I was able to get past this by fixing Windows Update here, but it still didn’t correct the Audacity freeze.  The only thing that works for me so far is the workaround suggested by Microsoft.

I recall seeing on the Forum this morning that the Japanese user had fixed this freeze when hitting any key

And as Homer Simpson once so famously said:   "Where's the "Any" key?"

Peter.

From: Leland <ll...@ho... <mailto:ll...@ho...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:31 AM
To: aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> 
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

This might also have some relevance.  I happened to look into the Japanese language options and found this.  It shows that I DO have the language pack installed, but it did not install any typing support.  I’m trying to work through this now.

From: Leland <ll...@ho... <mailto:ll...@ho...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:23 AM
To: aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> 
Subject: Re: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

I also ran in to that IME thing that pikap did.  Just add the Japanese language in Windows:

Settings -> Time & Language -> Language -> Preferred languages -> Add a language

This should also enable the Language toolbar to the Windows Taskbar.  If you open Audacity, change the language in the Taskbar to Japanese (don’t worry…you can change it back and nothing happens visually), and then press a key in Audacity, it will completely freeze.

And I just found some info and a workaround that works perfectly here:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/you-might-have-issues-on-windows-10-version-20h2-and-windows-10-version-2004-when-using-some-microsoft-imes-63696506-47d2-9997-0b72-41a68e328692

Workaround

You can mitigate Issues 3, 5, 6 and 7 in the short term by following the steps below to enable compatibility mode:

1.       Select Start, type Settings, and select it or press enter.

2.       Type IME settings into the search box within Settings and select the IME settings that are appropriate to your language, for example Japanese IME Settings.

3.       Select General.

4.       Turn on Use previous version of Microsoft IME.

Note We do not recommend using the compatibility setting for the long term, but rather as a temporary workaround for users who are impacted by this issue.

From: Steve Fiddle <ste...@gm... <mailto:ste...@gm...> > 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 4:34 AM
To: Audacity-Devel list <aud...@li... <mailto:aud...@li...> >
Subject: [Audacity-devel] Japanese language issues

For any devs looking into the Japanese language issue(s), there's additional information in this forum topic that may be useful: https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46 <https://forum.audacityteam.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=116720> &t=116720

Steve

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