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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium-stuff Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3
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From: Vinay S. <csv...@gm...> - 2017-10-18 10:04:08
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Hello all, I would like to become a mentor for this years GCI which I guess we are participating. I Have worked on "Automatic blank handling" under Unhammer in GSoC'17, and have a good idea about the workflow of Apertium packages. Please let me know the procedure/steps for the same. Regards, Vinay Singh IRC NicK: SilentFlame On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 5:34 PM, < ape...@li...> wrote: > Send Apertium-stuff mailing list submissions to > ape...@li... > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ape...@li... > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ape...@li... > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Apertium-stuff digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: about inconsistencies in documentation for crossdics > (Jim O'Regan) > 2. GCI (Francis Tyers) > 3. Re: GCI (Vinit Ravishankar) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 14:32:25 +0100 > From: "Jim O'Regan" <jo...@gm...> > To: apertium-stuff <ape...@li...> > Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] about inconsistencies in documentation > for crossdics > Message-ID: > <CAHh9-xtHHpoguNUF1VqgX7QU8D01XQmZH1u > D8+...@ma...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On 3 October 2017 at 22:21, Lorenza Russo <lor...@ho...> > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am writing to bring to your attention some inconsistencies I have > found in > > some pages about cross dix. > > > > It's the first time that I do cross dics, so I followed the examples I > found > > on the wiki platform, and thanks also to the error messages I got from > the > > program, I could spot two kind of inconsistencies: > > > > 1) typos/wrong information in the examples given; > > 2) typos/wrong information in the explanations given. > > > > Well, yes and no. There are inaccuracies, but for the most part, they > are not the things you mention. > > > If something it's not clear, please don't hesitate to let me know. If I > am > > wrong about some of my remarks, sorry for this spam. As I said, I am > > learning by doing. > > > > Let's start with the files given as examples: > > > > a) The "Example of LRD" at this page: > > http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Linguistic_Resources_Document (all the way > > down the page) seems to be an example for creating English-Spanish > > dictionaries by crossing English-Catalan and Catalan-Spanish. I couldn?t > > find (in trunk, at least) any Catalan-Spanish but I don't know if the > couple > > of language being in trunk is something needed for the example to be > > efficient. For the rest: > > The pair is Spanish-Catalan; in this case, dixtools reverses the > Spanish-Catalan bilingual dictionary. Using an LRD is supposed to let > dixtools figure out what to do itself; I'm not sure if the cross-dics > tool actually works with an LRD, though. > > > > > 1) at line 19 and at line 30, the cross model should be > > "cross-model-en-ca-es.xml" instead of "cross-model-es-ca-en.xml" > > It doesn't really matter what this is called, it's just a name. > > > 2) I am not 100% sure here, but maybe the order of the morphological > > dictionaries should be inverted, first the morphological dictionary for > > English and then the one for Spanish > > The order of the morphological dictionaries shouldn't matter. > > > 3) the bilingual dictionary starting from line 67 should be rewritten > > inverting the order of the languages. Now it is like this: > > <property name="name" value="apertium-es-ca"/> > > <property name="type" value="bil"/> > > <property name="sl" value="es"/> > > <property name="tl" value="ca"/> > > <property name="for-crossing" value="yes"/> > > <property name="src" value="apertium-es-ca.es-ca.dix"/> > > <property name="version" value="stable"/> > > but it should be > > <property name="name" value="apertium-ca-es"/> > > <property name="type" value="bil"/> > > <property name="sl" value="ca"/> > > <property name="tl" value="es"/> > > <property name="for-crossing" value="yes"/> > > <property name="src" value="apertium-ca-es.ca-es.dix"/> > > <property name="version" value="stable"/> > > > > No: the bilingual dictionary in the apertium-es-ca package is > apertium-es-ca.es-ca.dix, not apertium-ca-es.ca-es.dix. The provided > values are correct here. > > > > > b) Let's consider now the example available here: > > http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Crossdics_Example for creating > > English-Galician by crossing English-Spanish and Spanish-Galician (see > the > > example of en-es-gl-ling-resources.xml almost at the end of the page): > > > > 1) the morphological dictionary at line 38, should be > > "apertium-en-es.es.metadix" and not "apertium-en-es.en.metadix" > > > > You mean, in this section? > > <!-- 'en' morphological dictionary --> > <resource> > <property name="name" value="apertium-en"/> > <property name="type" value="mon"/> > <property name="sl" value="en"/> > <property name="for-crossing" value="yes"/> > <property name="src" value="apertium-en-es.en.metadix"/> > </resource> > > This is describing the 'en' morphological dictionary, it absolutely > should not be "apertium-en-es.es.metadix" (which, as it happens, does > not exist). > > The idea seems to have been to trim the source and target monolingual > dictionaries to remove monolingual entries that did not have > corresponding bilingual entries in the crossed dictionary; this has > never worked in my experience, but even if it did, there would be no > use for the Spanish monolingual dictionary, as it is the pivot > language in this example. > > > As for the inconsistencies about the explanations given, I found the > > following ones: > > > > > > 1) at the page http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Crossdics_Example in > section > > "What you need" and then "Dictionaries" there is a typo for the > > Morphological dix A: now it's > > > > Morphological A: apertium-en-es.en.dix > > but I think it should be > > Morphological A: apertium-en-es.es.dix > > There is an error, but it's that the filename ought to be > apertium-en-es.en.metadix - there is no file named > "apertium-en-es.en.dix". I've corrected this. > > > 2) at the page http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Crossdics in section > "Without a > > linguistic resources document", the scheme for the dix is inverted. Now > it's > > > > Bilingual dictionary A-B: apertium-bb-aa.bb-aa.dix > > Morphological dictionary A: apertium-bb-aa.aa.dix > > > > but to be aligned to what it's written in other pages it should be > > > > Bilingual dictionary A-B: apertium-aa-bb.aa-bb.dix > > Morphological dictionary A: apertium-aa-bb.bb.dix > > Ok, the model, as given, was incorrect: > > Bilingual dictionary A-B: apertium-bb-aa.bb-aa.dix > Bilingual dictionary B-C: apertium-bb-cc.bb-cc.dix > Morphological dictionary A: apertium-bb-aa.aa.dix > Morphological dictionary C: apertium-bb-cc.cc.dix > > I've corrected it to say B-A, not A-B. The reason is given a little > lower on the page: 'the common language (B) must be in the left side, > that is, dictionaries in the form B-A and B-C' > > If it happens that your bilingual dictionaries don't follow this > model: if you have A-B or C-B or both, you can follow the instruction > on the next line: 'use "-r" instead of "-n" if the dictionary has to > be reversed (apertium-aa-bb.aa-bb.dix to apertium-bb-aa.bb-aa.dix)' > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 10:50:54 +0200 > From: Francis Tyers <ft...@pr...> > To: ape...@li... > Subject: [Apertium-stuff] GCI > Message-ID: <3dd...@pr...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Hi all, > > Are we planning to apply to GCI this year ? If so, it would > be really great to go through the page: > > http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Task_ideas_for_Google_Code-in > > and cleanup the tasks and add mentors for them. The last > time the page was editted was the 4th September 2017?. GCI is > a lot of work, so I understand if we don't want to apply, but > if we do want to apply I suggest we get more active and quickly. > The application opens on Monday. > > Fran > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 13:15:35 +0200 > From: Vinit Ravishankar <vin...@gm...> > To: "ape...@li..." > <ape...@li...> > Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] GCI > Message-ID: > <CAJJBOfHgE_gsN+s7FVjwr1JusO26RiAk__- > LWV...@ma...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > To add to this - there is also a spreadsheet here: http://bit.ly/2g0pcbQ > > Feel free to add tasks to either place (though the wiki would make things a > lot simpler of course). > > ? V > ? > > On 7 October 2017 at 10:50, Francis Tyers <ft...@pr...> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Are we planning to apply to GCI this year ? If so, it would > > be really great to go through the page: > > > > http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Task_ideas_for_Google_Code-in > > > > and cleanup the tasks and add mentors for them. The last > > time the page was editted was the 4th September 2017?. GCI is > > a lot of work, so I understand if we don't want to apply, but > > if we do want to apply I suggest we get more active and quickly. > > The application opens on Monday. > > > > Fran > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------ > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > _______________________________________________ > > Apertium-stuff mailing list > > Ape...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Apertium-stuff mailing list > Ape...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/apertium-stuff > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Apertium-stuff Digest, Vol 126, Issue 3 > ********************************************** > -- Hello, Regards, Vinay Singh |
