Hi,
New projects use Allura which has better forums; Our project should be upgraded to this sometime over the next couple months.
-brady
www.open-emr.org
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Hi,
If we want, sourceforge will upgrade our project to Allura. We should be able to migrate everything (forum, tracker, repo, website), however there appears to be no Donate button (our current donate button goes to a OEMR.org paypal account). If we go ahead with this, I'll likely ask to do when I have a block of free time in case the website/wiki gets mangled in the process. thoughts?
-brady
www.open-emr.org
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Brady,
The oemr.org board met today and discussed this issue, and we unanimously agreed that we support a move to Allura, even if it means the loss of the Donate button on the front page of the sourceforge presence, as the paypal donations aren't really significant.
Is there anything else we should consider in moving to Allura?
Thanks,
-Kevin
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At this time, they are able to migrate the following data:
Meta-data (name, description, trove categories, etc)
Members and permissions
File releses, and download stats
Project News
Forums
Hosted Applications and Project Web
Virtual Host configuration and MySQL databases
Git, Subversion, Mercurial and CVS repositories
Mailing Lists
Tracker data
Currently unable to migrate the following:
Bazaar repositories
Multiple Mercurial or Git repositories
SCM hooks
Trac & SVN integration
Project Donations
Project Help Wanted
SCM, Forum, Ticket & Traffic statistics
I'd be glad to request this unless anybody has issues?
-brady
www.open-emr.org
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Brady,
The main concerns would be what are the chances of "data loss" (primarily in the way of lost forum posts). and what happens to links from the wiki page the point to existing forum threads? Will the old links work, or will they need to be updated?
If for some reason "disaster struck" during the migration and we lost existing forum or tracker data would it be a big deal to recover?
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Once get a reply from sourceforge on the time frame will then ask the following questions:
Will old links directed towards forum entries still work?
Will the email function from the Project Web still work (we have a mediawiki instance in there that needs to send emails in order to verify new user accounts)?
Will the mysql database information change (again, related to the mediawiki instance running within the Project Web)?
Is there a chance that we will lose any existing forum or tracker data during the migration?
Also, I think it's a good idea for us to take a look at the http://sourceforge.net/projects/pecs/ project as an example. There are some concerning issues that come up:
No Develop link anymore, which is a very nice landing screen for developers.
When click on the links that are part of the new Allure, there seems to be no way to link back to some screens like Summary; overall, this gives it a very rough and awkward flow.
I suggest other test it out also. The flow is definitely not nearly as nice as the one we are using now (just my opinion). I know OEMR and yourself is recommending this; note that I agreed with you until about 30 minutes ago after playing around with the above site. I suggest others also look at the above site before rendering a final decision here; after testing that site out, I'm a bit hesitant now (note, this is just my opinion)
-brady
www.open-emr.org
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Brady,
The discussion with the OEMR board was primarily to understand the implications of losing the donate link on the main page. The "vote" wasn't based on the technical merits of Allura, just that we'd support a move even at the expense of the donate button.
My impressions of the Allura interface I think are similar to yours. It's not clearly better. Also, I didn't realize that source forge considers it to still be in "Beta testing" until I read your ticket with sourceforge.
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I agree,
We were asked "Do you guys mind if we do this even though you lose the link?". Hardly our place to say what system you go to. I did also check out Allura, and I think it is a total pile. That was irrelevant to our discussion. Your site, your choice. The donate button was never significant, and well worth dropping if you thought you could improve the project.
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What is different here? It IS on SF
https://sourceforge.net/projects/pecs/
It allows editing of posts, has a wiki tickets and a blog.
Just Curious.
Alfonso
Hi,
New projects use Allura which has better forums; Our project should be upgraded to this sometime over the next couple months.
-brady
www.open-emr.org
Just sent a support request to sourceforge to get more information on this topic.
-brady
Hi,
If we want, sourceforge will upgrade our project to Allura. We should be able to migrate everything (forum, tracker, repo, website), however there appears to be no Donate button (our current donate button goes to a OEMR.org paypal account). If we go ahead with this, I'll likely ask to do when I have a block of free time in case the website/wiki gets mangled in the process. thoughts?
-brady
www.open-emr.org
Ahoy all,
Has the posting process slowed to a crawl again or am I not holding my mouse right?
Jack OEMR Board
Brady,
The oemr.org board met today and discussed this issue, and we unanimously agreed that we support a move to Allura, even if it means the loss of the Donate button on the front page of the sourceforge presence, as the paypal donations aren't really significant.
Is there anything else we should consider in moving to Allura?
Thanks,
-Kevin
Hi,
To initiate this, all I need to do is let sourceforge know via this ticket item:
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/ticket/23210
At this time, they are able to migrate the following data:
Meta-data (name, description, trove categories, etc)
Members and permissions
File releses, and download stats
Project News
Forums
Hosted Applications and Project Web
Virtual Host configuration and MySQL databases
Git, Subversion, Mercurial and CVS repositories
Mailing Lists
Tracker data
Currently unable to migrate the following:
Bazaar repositories
Multiple Mercurial or Git repositories
SCM hooks
Trac & SVN integration
Project Donations
Project Help Wanted
SCM, Forum, Ticket & Traffic statistics
I'd be glad to request this unless anybody has issues?
-brady
www.open-emr.org
Brady,
The main concerns would be what are the chances of "data loss" (primarily in the way of lost forum posts). and what happens to links from the wiki page the point to existing forum threads? Will the old links work, or will they need to be updated?
If for some reason "disaster struck" during the migration and we lost existing forum or tracker data would it be a big deal to recover?
Hi,
Once get a reply from sourceforge on the time frame will then ask the following questions:
Will old links directed towards forum entries still work?
Will the email function from the Project Web still work (we have a mediawiki instance in there that needs to send emails in order to verify new user accounts)?
Will the mysql database information change (again, related to the mediawiki instance running within the Project Web)?
Is there a chance that we will lose any existing forum or tracker data during the migration?
Also, I think it's a good idea for us to take a look at the http://sourceforge.net/projects/pecs/ project as an example. There are some concerning issues that come up:
No Develop link anymore, which is a very nice landing screen for developers.
When click on the links that are part of the new Allure, there seems to be no way to link back to some screens like Summary; overall, this gives it a very rough and awkward flow.
I suggest other test it out also. The flow is definitely not nearly as nice as the one we are using now (just my opinion). I know OEMR and yourself is recommending this; note that I agreed with you until about 30 minutes ago after playing around with the above site. I suggest others also look at the above site before rendering a final decision here; after testing that site out, I'm a bit hesitant now (note, this is just my opinion)
-brady
www.open-emr.org
Also, another important question to ask:
Will users still be able to monitor the forums (so users can get all of the posts emailed to them)?
Brady,
The discussion with the OEMR board was primarily to understand the implications of losing the donate link on the main page. The "vote" wasn't based on the technical merits of Allura, just that we'd support a move even at the expense of the donate button.
My impressions of the Allura interface I think are similar to yours. It's not clearly better. Also, I didn't realize that source forge considers it to still be in "Beta testing" until I read your ticket with sourceforge.
I agree,
We were asked "Do you guys mind if we do this even though you lose the link?". Hardly our place to say what system you go to. I did also check out Allura, and I think it is a total pile. That was irrelevant to our discussion. Your site, your choice. The donate button was never significant, and well worth dropping if you thought you could improve the project.
Hi,
So, guess it will be best to hold off on this and wait for Allura to improve.
-brady