From: nospam312 <nos...@gm...> - 2009-08-28 10:59:02
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Reason: Some using : some using - Current: The Choir - Unsung Town New: The Choir: Unsung Town 5|The Choir - Unsung Town~The Choir: Unsung Town To keep things a bit more structured I will reply to this thread to keep all these type of requests in one place. |
From: John V. <joh...@pe...> - 2010-09-12 17:38:18
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Hi, Excuse typos as I'm writing the below from memory - please double-check before implementing: 1, Tuesday's first episode of the new series of "Later Live... with Jools Holland" is called "Later 250 - with Jools Holland". As far as I can see, this is just a regular episode which just happens to be the 250th episode, so should probably have the normal title, maybe with "250" as a subtitle. 2, There are several programs with titles starting "Rough Guide to" which I think should all have the title "Rough Guide To" (which already exists for some episodes in the series) with the rest of the title put into the subtitle. 3, The series "Fearne and XXX" could be split with title "Fearne and" or "Fearne and ..." with XXX as the subtitle. 4, The series "XXX: The Hot Desk" could be split with title "The Hot Desk" with XXX as the subtitle. (See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hot_Desk). Cheers, John Veness |
From: malcolm <mal...@gm...> - 2010-09-12 17:52:47
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On 12/09/10 17:57, John Veness wrote: > Excuse typos as I'm writing the below from memory - please double-check > before implementing: > searching in mythweb My records have BBC2 (West) Later... with Jools Holland <http://192.168.0.5/mythweb/tv/detail/5287/1284584400>: 250th Episode, on at 10pm Wednesday 15th. The 250th Episode is a subtitle. The ep a week later has no subtitle. This all seems fine to me I have mixed examples: Rough Guide to City Breaks <http://192.168.0.5/mythweb/tv/detail/13928/1284384600> ,is all one title but I also find Rough Guide To <http://192.168.0.5/mythweb/tv/detail/13928/1284386400>: Adventures , i.e. with subtitles. Diana Vickers: The Hot Desk <http://192.168.0.5/mythweb/tv/search/%5EDiana%20Vickers%3A%20The%20Hot%20Desk%24?field=title>, appears to be transposed subtitle but is actually all one title. hope this helps |
From: Nick M. <kno...@gm...> - 2010-09-15 12:39:58
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On 12 September 2010 17:57, John Veness <joh...@pe...> wrote: > Hi, > > Excuse typos as I'm writing the below from memory - please double-check > before implementing: > > 1, Tuesday's first episode of the new series of "Later Live... with > Jools Holland" is called "Later 250 - with Jools Holland". As far as I > can see, this is just a regular episode which just happens to be the > 250th episode, so should probably have the normal title, maybe with > "250" as a subtitle. Handling for these titles was updated 2 days before your message was posted - Malcolm's follow-up seems to have confirmed that they were/are working, but let me know of any problems. > 2, There are several programs with titles starting "Rough Guide to" > which I think should all have the title "Rough Guide To" (which already > exists for some episodes in the series) with the rest of the title put > into the subtitle. Updated for current titles. Please point out any specific examples not being handled in the future. > 3, The series "Fearne and XXX" could be split with title "Fearne and" or > "Fearne and ..." with XXX as the subtitle. Updated for current titles. Again, please point out any specific examples not being handled in the future. > 4, The series "XXX: The Hot Desk" could be split with title "The Hot > Desk" with XXX as the subtitle. (See also > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hot_Desk). Updated for all current/future occurences of titles in the format "xyz: The Hot Desk" Cheers, Nick -- Nick Morrott MythTV Official wiki: http://mythtv.org/wiki/ MythTV users list archive: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." - Benjamin Franklin |
From: John V. <joh...@pe...> - 2010-09-29 21:42:47
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"Great TV Mistakes" and "Greatest TV Mistakes" are the same series. The on-screen title is "Great TV Mistakes", so I guess all "Greatest TV Mistakes" should be rewritten to "Great TV Mistakes". Cheers, John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T |
From: John V. <Joh...@pe...> - 2010-10-06 18:54:06
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On 29/09/10 22:42, John Veness wrote: > "Great TV Mistakes" and "Greatest TV Mistakes" are the same series. The > on-screen title is "Great TV Mistakes", so I guess all "Greatest TV > Mistakes" should be rewritten to "Great TV Mistakes". > > Cheers, > > John I didn't see a reply to the above suggestion. Is the mailing list the best way to report these, or would they better be raised as bugs? In any case, I have a couple more suggestions: The series "Katy Brand vs" which appears with multiple titles (e.g. "Katy Brand vs Sugababes", "Katy Brand vs Sean Kingston") could be split into title "Katy Brand vs" or "Katy Brand vs..." and subtitle "Sugababes", "Sean Kingston" etc. A series on Sky 3 has titles like "Vinnie Jones' Excellent Adventure", "Dom Joly's Excellent Adventure", "Neil Morrissey's Excellent Adventure", "Minnie Driver's Excellent Adventure", which could be split with title "Excellent Adventure", subtitle "Vinnie Jones", "Dom Joly" etc. This might be a bit tricky as I've seen both "Vinnie Jones' Excellent Adventure" and "Vinnie Jones's Excellent Adventure", and obviously you'll want to exclude "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure". Cheers, John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T |
From: Nick M. <kno...@gm...> - 2010-10-08 10:00:54
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On 6 October 2010 19:53, John Veness <Joh...@pe...> wrote: > On 29/09/10 22:42, John Veness wrote: >> "Great TV Mistakes" and "Greatest TV Mistakes" are the same series. The >> on-screen title is "Great TV Mistakes", so I guess all "Greatest TV >> Mistakes" should be rewritten to "Great TV Mistakes". >> >> Cheers, >> >> John > > I didn't see a reply to the above suggestion. Is the mailing list the > best way to report these, or would they better be raised as bugs? The above request was actioned on September 30th, but I didn't post back to the list - sorry. Let me know if it's not working for you. > In any case, I have a couple more suggestions: > > The series "Katy Brand vs" which appears with multiple titles (e.g. > "Katy Brand vs Sugababes", "Katy Brand vs Sean Kingston") could be split > into title "Katy Brand vs" or "Katy Brand vs..." and subtitle > "Sugababes", "Sean Kingston" etc. Added. > A series on Sky 3 has titles like "Vinnie Jones' Excellent Adventure", > "Dom Joly's Excellent Adventure", "Neil Morrissey's Excellent > Adventure", "Minnie Driver's Excellent Adventure", which could be split > with title "Excellent Adventure", subtitle "Vinnie Jones", "Dom Joly" > etc. This might be a bit tricky as I've seen both "Vinnie Jones' > Excellent Adventure" and "Vinnie Jones's Excellent Adventure", and > obviously you'll want to exclude "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure". Added. --- Patches or complete examples are always welcome for specific titles users want to see improved (but please provide channel details) - I don't have the time at the moment to check much more than the current debug output gives me (and that's not a daily occurrence either, as the slowdown of updates shows), but will commit any that are provided and seem sane. I will eventually add more logic to the debug routines to help with identifying programmes where similarly-named programmes already have their title and subtitle are being rewritten (the worst-case fixups), but free time has been minimal to the extreme recently. Selfishly I'll always prefer to fix titles that I'm either interested in or are quick fixes, and updates that require ongoing monitoring or are of no interest to me (like the above examples) fall to the bottom of the pile. I can't believe the fixups file already has >2700 entries... Cheers, Nick -- Nick Morrott MythTV Official wiki: http://mythtv.org/wiki/ MythTV users list archive: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." - Benjamin Franklin |
From: John V. <Joh...@pe...> - 2010-10-08 21:08:08
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On 08/10/10 11:00, Nick Morrott wrote: > updates that require ongoing monitoring or are of no > interest to me (like the above examples) fall to the bottom of the > pile. Thanks for doing those fixes, Nick. Actually those programs don't really interest me either, but I do like seeing neat data! Another one: Piers Morgan's Life Stories: Barbara Windsor Piers Morgan's Life Stories: Russell Watson > I can't believe the fixups file already has>2700 entries... Has the Radio Times shown any interest in incorporating your fixes directly into their data? Cheers, John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T |
From: Nick M. <kno...@gm...> - 2010-10-09 14:56:53
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On 8 October 2010 22:07, John Veness <Joh...@pe...> wrote: > On 08/10/10 11:00, Nick Morrott wrote: >> updates that require ongoing monitoring or are of no >> interest to me (like the above examples) fall to the bottom of the >> pile. > > Thanks for doing those fixes, Nick. Actually those programs don't really > interest me either, but I do like seeing neat data! Same here - I think that's why the fixups seem to just grow. > Another one: > > Piers Morgan's Life Stories: Barbara Windsor > Piers Morgan's Life Stories: Russell Watson Already handled for several months. Just checked my MythTV listings and they are handled correctly. >> I can't believe the fixups file already has>2700 entries... > > Has the Radio Times shown any interest in incorporating your fixes > directly into their data? Sadly no - I've made several suggestions over the last couple of years, but to date none have been taken onboard. The stability of the service seems to have improved greatly over the last week/10 days however, so fingers crossed it has returned to its old self. It would be great to have some of the fixups handled upstream, but I clearly some are more subjective than others. Some of the fixups I make may not be welcomed by all users, but my primary motivation is having the most consistent data for PVR applications. I do not know how much additional processing the Radio Times perform on the data after it is received from their listings supplier. The Radio Times reviews are obviously inserted for specific programmes, but I don't know if anything else is done before it is made available on the XMLTV service. If anyone has any contacts at the Radio Times, I'd love to hear from you :) Cheers, Nick -- Nick Morrott MythTV Official wiki: http://mythtv.org/wiki/ MythTV users list archive: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." - Benjamin Franklin |
From: John V. <joh...@pe...> - 2010-10-11 19:31:43
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On 09/10/10 15:56, Nick Morrott wrote: >> Piers Morgan's Life Stories: Barbara Windsor >> Piers Morgan's Life Stories: Russell Watson > > Already handled for several months. Just checked my MythTV listings > and they are handled correctly. It turns out my XMLTV install is out of date. I'll manually check http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/prog_titles_to_process before I suggest any more fixups (and I'll try to update soon). >> Has the Radio Times shown any interest in incorporating your fixes >> directly into their data? > > Sadly no - I've made several suggestions over the last couple of > years, but to date none have been taken onboard. Thanks for trying anyway. Cheers, John |
From: Nick M. <kno...@gm...> - 2011-09-25 02:56:47
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On 24 September 2011 23:23, John Veness <joh...@pe...> wrote: > On 08/10/10 11:00, Nick Morrott wrote: >> On 6 October 2010 19:53, John Veness<Joh...@pe...> wrote: >>> A series on Sky 3 has titles like "Vinnie Jones' Excellent Adventure", >>> "Dom Joly's Excellent Adventure", "Neil Morrissey's Excellent >>> Adventure", "Minnie Driver's Excellent Adventure", which could be split >>> with title "Excellent Adventure", subtitle "Vinnie Jones", "Dom Joly" >>> etc. This might be a bit tricky as I've seen both "Vinnie Jones' >>> Excellent Adventure" and "Vinnie Jones's Excellent Adventure", and >>> obviously you'll want to exclude "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure". >> >> Added. > > Some more of these are coming up. Directly in your syntax, the rewrites > should be, I think: > > 8|Ian Wright's Excellent Adventure~~Excellent Adventures~Ian Wright > 8|Harry Enfield's Excellent Adventure~~Excellent Adventures~Harry Enfield > > There may be more in forthcoming weeks. Thanks for these > Also coming up: > Mark Lawson Talks to Dame Diana Rigg > Mark Lawson Talks to Rob Brydon > > Can these be rewritten with code (if I've got this right): > > 8|Mark Lawson Talks to Dame Diana Rigg~~Mark Lawson Talks To...~Dame > Diana Rigg > 8|Mark Lawson Talks to Rob Brydon~~Mark Lawson Talks To...~Rob Brydon Thanks for these too - my MLTT title search had pulled these in, and I was going to get these added - thanks for the prod! Cheers, Nick |
From: John V. <Joh...@pe...> - 2010-10-14 21:38:46
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Another suggestion, using the format as defined in http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/prog_titles_to_process: 3|Real Stories (A series on the 4Music channel). John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T |
From: Nick M. <kno...@gm...> - 2010-10-15 10:26:39
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On 14 October 2010 22:14, John Veness <Joh...@pe...> wrote: > Another suggestion, using the format as defined in > http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/prog_titles_to_process: > > 3|Real Stories > > (A series on the 4Music channel). Thanks - updated. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Morrott MythTV Official wiki: http://mythtv.org/wiki/ MythTV users list archive: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." - Benjamin Franklin |
From: <joh...@pe...> - 2010-10-15 21:37:25
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Has any consideration been put into rewriting "Have I Got Old News for You" to "Have I Got News For You"? As I'm sure you know, the show contents and on-screen title is the same, just with "Old News" (sometimes) used in RT data for repeat showings. When "Old News" first started on BBC2 I guess it was helpful to some people that it had a different RT title, as they could distinguish between brand new eps and repeats. However, now that Dave shows both "News" and "Old News" with no particular consistency in the RT titles, it is annoying that the same eps get recorded multiple times with different titles (I have rules to record both titles so that I don't miss any). Cheers, John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T |
From: Nick M. <kno...@gm...> - 2010-10-18 07:11:06
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On 15 October 2010 22:37, <joh...@pe...> wrote: > Has any consideration been put into rewriting "Have I Got Old News for > You" to "Have I Got News For You"? As I'm sure you know, the show > contents and on-screen title is the same, just with "Old News" > (sometimes) used in RT data for repeat showings. I've not watched any old episodes on Dave, so this is news to me :) > When "Old News" first started on BBC2 I guess it was helpful to some > people that it had a different RT title, as they could distinguish > between brand new eps and repeats. However, now that Dave shows both > "News" and "Old News" with no particular consistency in the RT titles, > it is annoying that the same eps get recorded multiple times with > different titles (I have rules to record both titles so that I don't > miss any). Currently in the listings I see: Have I Got News For You (BBC1 and Dave) Have I Got Old News For You (Dave) Have I Got A Bit More News For You (BBC2) Is everyone happy for the following change as proposed by John: Have I Got Old News For You -> Have I Got News For You I think it's sensible to keep the regular and "Bit More" versions separately-titled, in the same manner that QI and QI XL exist on BBC/Dave. Thoughts? Cheers, Nick -- Nick Morrott MythTV Official wiki: http://mythtv.org/wiki/ MythTV users list archive: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." - Benjamin Franklin |
From: Nigel J. <nig...@pi...> - 2010-10-18 10:12:08
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> Currently in the listings I see: > > Have I Got News For You (BBC1 and Dave) > Have I Got Old News For You (Dave) > Have I Got A Bit More News For You (BBC2) > > Is everyone happy for the following change as proposed by John: > > Have I Got Old News For You -> Have I Got News For You > > I think it's sensible to keep the regular and "Bit More" versions > separately-titled, in the same manner that QI and QI XL exist on > BBC/Dave. Thoughts? Personally I think that they should stay as they are. Obviously, the "Old" indicates that the program isn't current and if it is removed those that are only interested in current episodes will end up recording a stack of stuff they don't want. It is easier to add the extra recording profile for "Have I Got Old News For You" for those that are really interested in "Old" episodes. Regards, -- Nige. |
From: <joh...@pe...> - 2010-10-18 22:23:51
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On 18/10/10 10:01, Nigel Jewell wrote: > >> Currently in the listings I see: >> >> Have I Got News For You (BBC1 and Dave) >> Have I Got Old News For You (Dave) >> Have I Got A Bit More News For You (BBC2) >> >> Is everyone happy for the following change as proposed by John: >> >> Have I Got Old News For You -> Have I Got News For You >> >> I think it's sensible to keep the regular and "Bit More" versions >> separately-titled, in the same manner that QI and QI XL exist on >> BBC/Dave. Thoughts? > > Personally I think that they should stay as they are. Obviously, the > "Old" indicates that the program isn't current and if it is removed those > that are only interested in current episodes will end up recording a stack > of stuff they don't want. It is easier to add the extra recording profile > for "Have I Got Old News For You" for those that are really interested in > "Old" episodes. > > Regards, Unfortunately some old eps are shown as "Have I Got News For You" and some as "Have I Got Old News For You" with seemingly no logic (episodes in the same season are shown with either title, so it doesn't seem to be a cut-off date thing). So your user recording just "Have I Got News For You" in the hope of getting new eps only, is already getting (some) old eps. Anyway, we don't usually rename program titles just because they are repeats, e.g. "Mock the Old Week", "Old QI", so I don't see why HIGNFY should be different. I agree that "Bit More" should be titled differently, just like "QI XL", as it is different content, but the other two titles are for exactly the same content and same on-screen title. John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T |
From: John V. <joh...@pe...> - 2010-11-30 19:32:03
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Some new Wallander dramas are being listed in UK_RT as "Wallander: <subtitle>" in the title. Cheers, John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T |
From: Nick M. <kno...@gm...> - 2010-11-30 20:44:02
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On 30 November 2010 19:31, John Veness <joh...@pe...> wrote: > Some new Wallander dramas are being listed in UK_RT as "Wallander: > <subtitle>" in the title. Updated. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Morrott MythTV Official wiki: http://mythtv.org/wiki/ MythTV users list archive: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." - Benjamin Franklin |
From: Nick M. <kno...@gm...> - 2010-10-20 00:19:02
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On 18 October 2010 23:23, <joh...@pe...> wrote: > On 18/10/10 10:01, Nigel Jewell wrote: >> >>> Currently in the listings I see: >>> >>> Have I Got News For You (BBC1 and Dave) >>> Have I Got Old News For You (Dave) >>> Have I Got A Bit More News For You (BBC2) >>> >>> Is everyone happy for the following change as proposed by John: >>> >>> Have I Got Old News For You -> Have I Got News For You >>> >>> I think it's sensible to keep the regular and "Bit More" versions >>> separately-titled, in the same manner that QI and QI XL exist on >>> BBC/Dave. Thoughts? >> >> Personally I think that they should stay as they are. Obviously, the >> "Old" indicates that the program isn't current and if it is removed those >> that are only interested in current episodes will end up recording a stack >> of stuff they don't want. It is easier to add the extra recording profile >> for "Have I Got Old News For You" for those that are really interested in >> "Old" episodes. >> >> Regards, > > Unfortunately some old eps are shown as "Have I Got News For You" and > some as "Have I Got Old News For You" with seemingly no logic (episodes > in the same season are shown with either title, so it doesn't seem to be > a cut-off date thing). So your user recording just "Have I Got News For > You" in the hope of getting new eps only, is already getting (some) old eps. > > Anyway, we don't usually rename program titles just because they are > repeats, e.g. "Mock the Old Week", "Old QI", so I don't see why HIGNFY > should be different. I agree with John here, based on the current HIGNFY data. The grabber already retitles other programmes called "New ..." to their normal versions for consistency, and repeats of a programme should have the same title as their first showing if the content is the same. The Radio Times data can and does flag repeats (although not always), and recordings of first showings can easily be limited to the channel they air on (BBC1 for the regular HIGNFY broadcast, Dave for repeats) without requiring special treatment of their title. The grabber has no means of rewriting titles on specific channels, and in this particular case, there is already the problem (as John points out) of the Dave repeats having 2 different titles for the _same_ content. > I agree that "Bit More" should be titled differently, just like "QI XL", > as it is different content, but the other two titles are for exactly the > same content and same on-screen title. Agreed. Will update the fixups to rename "Have I Got Old News for You" to "Have I Got News for You". If users notice other programmes which have similar titling changes (same content, different titles) please post details. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Morrott MythTV Official wiki: http://mythtv.org/wiki/ MythTV users list archive: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." - Benjamin Franklin |
From: <joh...@pe...> - 2010-10-20 21:41:31
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Thanks for HIGONFY fix-up. Another one, I *think* in correct http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/prog_titles_to_process syntax but please check: 8|Psychoville Halloween Special~~Psychoville~Halloween Special Cheers, John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T |
From: Nick M. <kno...@gm...> - 2010-10-21 00:19:39
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On 20 October 2010 22:41, <joh...@pe...> wrote: > Thanks for HIGONFY fix-up. > > Another one, I *think* in correct > http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/prog_titles_to_process syntax > but please check: > > 8|Psychoville Halloween Special~~Psychoville~Halloween Special Updated. Thanks for the details. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Morrott MythTV Official wiki: http://mythtv.org/wiki/ MythTV users list archive: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." - Benjamin Franklin |
From: John V. <joh...@pe...> - 2010-10-23 21:52:16
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Hi, I'm pretty sure RT title "Autumnwatch 2010" should be rewritten to just "Autumnwatch", i.e. in http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/prog_titles_to_process syntax: 5|Autumnwatch 2010~Autumnwatch My reasoning is that the on-screen title, trailers, continuity announcer, presenters and printed Radio Times all use just "Autumnwatch", as did previous years' broadcasts, so I don't think this is like Film 2010 where the year really is part of the title. People with "Autumnwatch" recording rules from previous years won't be catching the new series. The downside is that I didn't notice this until three episodes were broadcast with the "Autumnwatch 2010" RT title, so people who came to the series fresh this year and have an "Autumnwatch 2010" rule and no "Autumnwatch" rule will lose out - hopefully not too many of them. Cheers, John -- John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T |
From: Nick M. <kno...@gm...> - 2010-10-25 04:53:30
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On 23 October 2010 22:52, John Veness <joh...@pe...> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm pretty sure RT title "Autumnwatch 2010" should be rewritten to just > "Autumnwatch", i.e. in > http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/prog_titles_to_process syntax: > > 5|Autumnwatch 2010~Autumnwatch > > My reasoning is that the on-screen title, trailers, continuity > announcer, presenters and printed Radio Times all use just > "Autumnwatch", as did previous years' broadcasts, so I don't think this > is like Film 2010 where the year really is part of the title. People > with "Autumnwatch" recording rules from previous years won't be catching > the new series. Updated - we already handle(d) Springwatch 2010 in the same way, so this makes perfect sense to add. I'll get some more debugging added to find years in titles such as this, as it should help to highlight them before transmission. It might also make sense (or be helpful at least) to add a title processing routine that can accept a Perl regexp rather than pure text, as this would allow titles like this to be handled going forwards with no or little intervention required. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Morrott MythTV Official wiki: http://mythtv.org/wiki/ MythTV users list archive: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users "An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest." - Benjamin Franklin |
From: nospam312 <nos...@gm...> - 2010-11-09 17:20:15
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To match previous years (I think I have case correct) and therefore get caught by existing rules: Currently (wrong) I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here! needs changing to (correct) I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here! Currently (wrong) I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here Now! needs changing to (correct) I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here Now! TIA |