Re: [xbiblio-devel] Style analysis, UI?

[Robert K. <rob...@me...>]

> I've spoken with Steve Rideout (IIRC) about the possibility of tagging
> output with links or hints that lead back to the portion(s) of CSL
> from which it is derived

On that note, Steve is away in Japan for the next couple of weeks. I'll
point him at this thread
when he gets back.

Regards,
Rob.

On 24 July 2011 02:16, Frank Bennett <bie...@gm...> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Bruce D'Arcus <bd...@gm...> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Frank Bennett <bie...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Bruce D'Arcus <bd...@gm...>
> wrote:
> >>> So we've periodically talked about two things:
> >>>
> >>> 1) a higher-level style editing/creation wizard, with one variant
> relying on
> >>> modifying formatted output to get the appropriate CSL
> >>>
> >>> 2) using existing style data to help us do this
> >>>
> >>> Do we have any actual data that would give us a concrete sense of how
> >>> flexible a UI would need to be?
> >>
> >> There's this: https://bitbucket.org/fbennett/csl-lib/overview
> >>
> >> I haven't touched it in the past year, but the scripts should still
> >> work. The data dumps are idiosyncratic, but if someone wanted to clean
> >> it up, the logic is there.
> >
> > Cool; thanks.
> >
> >>> I just had in my mind's eye a UI that is a formatted bib, but where one
> >>> could interact with the variable tokens. Just wondering if we have any
> >>> evidence whether that's feasible.
> >>>
> >>> Bruce
> >>
> >> I've spoken with Steve Rideout (IIRC) about the possibility of tagging
> >> output with links or hints that lead back to the portion(s) of CSL
> >> from which it is derived, to allow this kind of reverse-direction
> >> editing. It's a very tough problem due to the complexity of
> >> inheritance and cross-node interaction in much of the formatting
> >> logic. It's a tempting concept, but there would be a risk of finding
> >> in the end that it wouldn't work well enough to be useful. I don't
> >> expect to do anything on it in the foreseeable future myself.
> >
> > What I'm contemplating here is actually simpler, and is a riff on my
> > earlier ideas about a makebst-like wizard interface. So rather than
> > there be some direct mapping of CSL to HTML, there'd just be just be
> > tokens that were tied to a pre-selected list of macro options, where
> > one would just click the token to get the list, click on what looked
> > right, etc.
> >
> > But come to think of it, this may not be any better than my original
> > idea; not sure.
> >
> > Bruce
>
> That was what I had in mind with csl-lib as well. The hard part (or at
> least the part that no one has tried to do yet) would be to work out a
> typology of style structures (since not every style breaks things down
> in the same way). With that in hand, you should be able to build a
> style by chosing a structure, and then selecting from a subset of
> macros for each slot in the structure. Working out the typology would
> require back-and-forth between analyzing styles to identify top-level
> patterns, and then looking at the styles to see if the number of
> top-level patterns can be reduced. Some styles would have to be left
> out, as "bespoke CSL", but many of the author-date and numeric styles,
> in particular, might be amenable.
>
>
>
> >
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