From: Manuel R. <m....@te...> - 2007-02-13 12:11:18
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> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: wxp...@li...=20 > [mailto:wxp...@li...] Im=20 > Auftrag von John Ralls > Gesendet: Montag, 12. Februar 2007 18:56 > An: wxperl-users > Betreff: Re: [wxperl-users] wxPerl Community project... >=20 >=20 > On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:57 AM, Huub Peters wrote: >=20 > > Hello list, > > > > I know many others have proposed it in the past and (maybe not so) =20 > > many > > initiatives have been actually executed but we really need a central > > community kind of place. > > > > The german wiki (http://www.wxperl.de) is a mess (spammed=20 > all the time > > and even a defacing at this moment). > > The wiki at http://wxperl.pvoice.org/kwiki/ is a nice=20 > effort but only > > thanks to some users (or even only one? jralls?) it is=20 > staying free of > > spam but there are no new articles posted at all. Why? Don't know. > > It's probably not known and personaly I just don't like the Kwiki-=20 > > software > > but that's a matter of taste off course. > > (On a side note: Jouke (whose place this wiki is hosted on) has =20 > > anounced > > on his weblog on 24-09-2006 that he will be offline for an =20 > > undetermined > > ammount of time due to personal issues. Otherwise I would have =20 > > taken this > > up with him directly to begin with.) > > > > There are other spots with excelent stuff (like gigi.co.uk) but I =20 > > only heard > > about that on this list and it is decentralized this way. > > > > I can go on with being negative and summing up what I think=20 > is "wrong" > > and compare to "the great wxPython community" but that won't solve =20 > > a thing > > so here's what I came up with: > > > > * I took the liberty of registering wxperl.info. > > A good domain name improves "findability" > > * I'm in the lucky position of having hosting facilities=20 > and a lot of > > fast bandwidth to go with it that I can use. (the company where =20 > > I work > > has no problems with me using it) > > * I started writing this mail :-) > > > > So what's next...? > > Next I need ideas and help. > > > > Here are some of my ideas: > > * We need a user friendly, nice looking wiki. > > Something like "Mediawiki" (the heart of Wikipedia) but=20 > offcourse I > > can't live with a perl community on a php-driven site so=20 > after some > > searching I found Twiki: http://www.twiki.org which=20 > looks robust =20 > > enough > > to me. > > * We need tutorials > > * We need Howto's. > > * We need tips and tricks. > > * Maybe write up the problems and solutions from the mailing list. > > * Maybe a forum for some nice discussions (alltough it might clash =20 > > with > > the mailing list) > > * Show of your work. > > > > Bottom line: we need a central community where beginners and =20 > > experts can > > teach and learn about wxPerl. > > I'm trying to offer the place to start this and hope it will grow =20 > > to be as > > big as > > wxPerl deserves it to be. > > > > E-mail me on or off list with your thoughts/ideas/offers=20 > etcetera and > > maybe we'll have a nice community in no time. > > > > Huub Peters >=20 > The biggest problem for any wiki is spam. Before Jouke installed the =20 > updates to Kwiki last summer, one of which required that a user =20 > register before editing a page, the wxWiki was getting hit several =20 > times a day. Since, it has been hit exactly once. >=20 > I'm also not terribly fond of Kwiki in general, though. It's =20 > remarkably fragile. Jouke has not seemed ever to have much time for =20 > maintaining it, and several things are broken. I don't think=20 > that you =20 > should entertain the constraint that the underlying software=20 > must run =20 > on perl. It's far more important that it be robust, secure, and easy =20 > to edit and maintain. Mediawiki has an excellent track record on all =20 > counts. For your sanity, though, the software should also be easy to =20 > install, maintain, and administer. I have no experience in that =20 > regard with Mediawiki or any other wiki software, so I can't=20 > make any =20 > recommendations. >=20 > Regardless of that, I suspect that the biggest problem is getting =20 > people to sign up, and to write articles. There are only 10 =20 > registered users on Jouke's wiki, most of whom are regulars here, =20 > too. (One is Manuel Renz, who says on his user-page that he's=20 > the one =20 > behind wsperl.de -- and who hasn't posted here since last April). =20 > You're on that list too, as is Mark Dootson, Herbert=20 > Bruening, and of =20 > course Mattia. Many other regulars aren't, but that doesn't=20 > mean that =20 > they didn't at some point contribute. AFAICT, no one has added =20 > anything useful since Jouke set it to require that one be a =20 > registered user to edit. One can't see the edit history beyond six =20 > months with the tools at hand, but I don't remember any non-spam =20 > content being added in at least a year. >=20 > The point of that last paragraph is that the problem with the=20 > present =20 > wiki isn't spam any more, it's getting people to write for=20 > it. Do you =20 > have a plan for that? >=20 > (The lack of entries might be partly due to the lousy=20 > software, but I =20 > don't think that that contributes much to the problem. It might be =20 > due to a not-very-intuitive layout, but that could be fixed pretty =20 > easily by anyone with time and a better idea.) >=20 > Bottom line: We've got a couple of places for the community to =20 > gather. It seems to like this one better than the wiki. Why do you =20 > think another wiki will change that? >=20 > Regards, > John Ralls >=20 >=20 Hi, just yesterday I talked with Herbert Breunung, who constantly reminds me = of wxperl.de (and its glorious situation) and I promised him to get a = wiki up and running again today. (I promised him that severall times in = the past) Currently I have the problem of choosing the "right" wiki software = without using PHP. I currently tend to MojoMojo http://www.mojomojo.org/ It has a POD = Formatter, too, which I prefer, cause the contents will be easily = reusable and it's possible to quickstart a community driven = documentation effort. (and it's based on catalyst) and it has a = Tree-based node structure which I think will be very usefull. > [...]The point of that last paragraph is that the problem with the=20 > present =20 > wiki isn't spam any more, it's getting people to write for=20 > it. Do you =20 > have a plan for that? I'think the contents on this wiki needs to have a higher goal, currently = they just are contents in a wiki. But what if the contents are = candidates for some kind of offical tutorials and docu? That's sounds = much more worthier than it's currently. What about a Wx::Manual namespace on CPAN like the folks from catalyst = and dbix-class have? Greetz & blessings Manuel |