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[Webware-discuss] second thoughts.
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From: Shayne O. <sh...@pe...> - 2004-04-23 03:05:21
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Perhaps I could however whack together a short tutorial on the basics of getting a simple cgi-like servlet happening and then a few ideas how to use the more stateful/servlet-y properties of webware. Erm. Should I use one of the wiki's to do this? Is the new one stable enuff to trust it with a bunch of work? -- Shayne O'Neill http://perth.indymedia.org I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." ----George W. Bush On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Shayne ONeill wrote: > > Again. Its one of those things I could probably do well. I guess the > problem for me personally is I'd have to find a publisher for me to > justify the rather large time investment book writing takes. > > I'd probably also have to get someone else to lookysee in on the NT stuff > as I'm usually a linux guy these days. That said, I do have a reasonable > degree in experience on Com type programming, alas not thru python. > > -- > Shayne O'Neill > http://perth.indymedia.org > I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." > ----George W. Bush > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Aaron Held wrote: > > > I would love to see a book - I've taught webware and written some > > tutorials and guides - but nothing recent. > > > > I think a pure webware book would fail, and there have been a few less > > then interesting Web Development in Python books as well. > > > > Something like Enterprise Integration in Python would be interesing - > > focus on webware but do python things like NT Service integration, > > Manage MS Exchange, XMLRPC, long running threads etc... > > > > There are lots of things Python can do easily that are hard in Java, and > > there are more things that Webware can do well that PHP can't. (I like > > to position it as the elegance of J2EE w/ the development speed of PHP) > > > > I think that a webware book should focus on tasks done well in Python > > and webware. (Otherwise it seen as a less capable Java server or > > overly complex PHP clone). > > > > Thanks, > > -Aaron Held > > > > Shayne ONeill wrote: > > > > >Hmm. A book. > > > > > >I'm wondering if I should/could put my hands up on that one. > > > > > >Being that I'm a journo by trade, I'm thinking I might be able to pull it > > >off. Now that said, I'd need some serious ears when I had a question to > > >bounce off. That said, I'm a reasonable enough programmer, or I'd like to > > >think I am :) > > > > > >Perhaps the trick is I write a sample chapter and throw it at a few > > >publishers (orielly etc) and see if theres any interest. If theres not, I > > >doubt I could justify the expenditure of time, but if there is interest > > >It'd be a damn great way to spend this currently-between-jobs period I'm > > >in. > > > > > >Whats the vibes here? > > > > > >-- > > >Shayne O'Neill > > >http://perth.indymedia.org > > >I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." > > > ----George W. Bush > > > > > >On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Chris Barker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Douglas Burchard wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Would something other than a wrench fit better? For example: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>I like the wrench a lot, I think "tools" when I think of Webware. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> <http://www.douglasburchard.com/demo-logo_01.jpg> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>the feather ties it to Apache too much. while most of us probably use it > > >>with Apache, it is NOT an Apache extension. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>I know, there are several problems with this specific example, but > > >>>perhaps someone could offer a better metaphor... > > >>> > > >>> > > >>Maybe a way to use the wrench, and something that says: "web". A globe, > > >>perhaps a wrench adjusting the globe? I'm NOT a designer, so I'm not > > >>going ot even try to make an image out of that idea! > > >> > > >>More than a good website, more than a logo, what Webware needs to get > > >>some real exposure and use is a Book. I had a colleague who had worked > > >>with me on a Python based project, then set out to build a web app. > > >>After looking through the books on developing for the web with Python, > > >>and buying "Web Programming in Python", he was thoroughly confused about > > >>what combinations of tools to use (CGI, mod_python, mod_snake, jonpy, > > >>quiote, webware, etc.). If there was a book: "Building web applications > > >>with Python and Webware", that told you what tools to use, and how to > > >>use them, he probably would have used it. Instead, he was faced with > > >>Zope, which he didn't really like. So, he bought a book that told him > > >>how to use PHP and MySQL to do what he wanted. He didn't like PHP > > >>better, what he liked was that there weren't so many options he had to > > >>choose from for every part of the project. A self contained book about > > >>Webware would really make the difference! > > >> > > >>That being said, I have neither the talent nor the time to write such a > > >>book, but I think someone who did might even be able to earn a decent > > >>profit from it. > > >> > > >>-Chris > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>-- > > >>Christopher Barker, Ph.D. > > >>Oceanographer > > >> > > >>NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT (206) 526-6959 voice > > >>7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax > > >>Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception > > >> > > >>Chr...@no... > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>------------------------------------------------------- > > >>This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > > >>Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > > >>GenToo technologies. 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