RE: SPAMRE: [Tikiwiki-users] Reason for most registration e-mails failing?

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 Sorry for the delay. Here is what I have found. I suspect the server is
locked down not to be able to send e-mails based on what I can see.

This must have been changed intentionally as I used to be able to do this.

Am I screwed?

Comments inline....

-----Original Message-----
From: tik...@li...
[mailto:tik...@li...] On Behalf Of Flo
Gleixner
Sent: 27 November 2004 00:15
To: tik...@li...
Cc: fa...@us...
Subject: *SPAM*RE: [Tikiwiki-users] Reason for most registration e-mails
failing?

Hi,

You should really try to find out why mail does not work. Here's my
receipt:

- check the maillog (/var/log/mail or similar)
----Permission Denied

- check mails of the sender for Mailer-daemon mails (Non delivery
notifications). Sender is probably owner of the webserver process.
---Nothing bounced

- check the mails of postmaster (root)
---Nothing bounced

- try to send a mail with unix-tools:
   * sendmail method:
     /usr/lib/sendmail rec...@em...
     some text. End mail with a single dot
     .
   * mail utility:
     mail rec...@em...
     Subject: bla
     some text. End mail with a single dot
     .
     Cc:
   These tools have some debug switches: mail -v will show you some
   details.
----No sendmail, exim, postfix etc anymore!!! /usr/bin/which: no sendmail in
(/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin)

- try to send a mail using telnet:
telnet localhost smtp
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 some.hostname.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.11/8.12.11; Sat, 27 Nov 2004
00:53:58 +0100
ehlo bla.de
250-some.hostname.com Hello some.hostname.com [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet
you
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-PIPELINING
250-8BITMIME
250-SIZE
250-DSN
250-ETRN
250-AUTH CRAM-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN
250-DELIVERBY
250 HELP
mail from: ww...@so...
250 2.1.0 ww...@so...... Sender ok
rcpt to: so...@so...
250 2.1.5 so...@so...... Recipient ok
data
354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
some text
.
250 2.0.0 iAQNrwjj014061 Message accepted for delivery
quit
221 2.0.0 some.hostname.com closing connection
Connection closed by foreign host.

===========

Assume this means it is not allowed !

220-mine.com ESMTP Exim 4.43 #1 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 00:46:09 -0800 
220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited, 
220 and/or bulk e-mail.
mail from: ti...@mi...
250 OK
rcpt to: ma...@mi...
250 Accepted
data
354 Enter message, ending with "." on a line by itself
this is a test
.
550 Administrative prohibition
======================

- next you should find out if php can send a mail. Write a php program:
<?php
if(!mail("so...@so...",
          "Subject mailtest",
          "Test 1\nTest 2\nTest 3"))
    echo "Error sending mail.";
?>

Note that these are only basic tests. email may not be trivial if there 
are mailrouting or relaying problems. Sending mail via a php-webdriven 
SMTPserver script is no good idea - it usually breaks rfc's as a 
mailserver may temporary reject your mail. Proper MTA's (Mail transfer 
agents) retry later. You cannot do that easily with a apache-php script. 
Today a growing number of SMTP servers use a feature called greylisting to 
avoid spam. The principle is to reject a mail temporary. If the MTA 
retries later again, the mail gets delivered. If the MTA does not try 
again, he is blacklisted, because most spammer-tools use a fire & forget 
mail system do do their job. So: do you want your IP blacklisted? No? Then 
use sendmail/postfix/exim/qmail .... even exchange can do the job :-)

Flo

On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Mark (fat) wrote:

> Unfortunately that's not an option this now as the only reason I can
afford
> to run the host is that my company sponsors it by supplying a portion of
> their capacity.
>
> In 3-6 months we will be going the dedicated server route which will solve
> any problems.
>
> However this is too long to wait to fix this problem. Having to manually
> register every user is getting to be quite a job.
>
> Are logs kept anywhere in my tiki that could point me in the correct
> direction of the problem?
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tik...@li...
> [mailto:tik...@li...] On Behalf Of Damian
> Parker
> Sent: 26 November 2004 14:45
> To: tik...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-users] Reason for most registration e-mails
failing?
>
> On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 08:10 -0600, Michael S. Zick wrote:
>> On Fri November 26 2004 03:54, Mark (fat) wrote:
>>> Thanks for the reply !
>>>
>>> I will have a look at porting to the CVS. Is using a SMTP server
>>> planned to be implemented as a feature in a later release.?
>>>
>>> My host (whom shall remain nameless) gives me a lot of functionality
>>> but is very poor in their level of user support. Perhaps the easiest
>>> thing me to try is to install  some sort of PHP based mail sending
>>> script and see if it works. Any suggestions which one would be
>>> simplest/best representation of my problem to try with?
>>>
>> Three thoughts from my own experience.
>> 1) Try using authentication. Using your account name/password.
>> 2) Try sending to port 24 rather than 25.
>> 3) Ask their tech. support to check their firewall rules.
>> The rules may be blocking relaying from the virtual host accounts in
>> addition to blocking relaying from the world.  If so, they might fix
>> this for you. (Mine did after I install tw)
>>
>> Many hosting companies are starting to use strong measures against
>> accidentally hosting a spam generator.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
> You can always change and use a TikiFriendlyHost :
> http://tikiwiki.org/TikiFriendlyHosts
>
>
>
> --
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