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Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Dogfood Question
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From: Gary Cunningham-L. <ga...@cu...> - 2009-12-21 16:03:18
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That gets into the relationship between people's individual sites and the Tikiwiki project sites. Tikiwiki for Smarties would be an appropriate place for this kind of information for sure, but I think that, in principle, it's good to also put information on one of the Tiki project sites, to reduce the chance of it becoming unavailable at some point in the future. -- Gary Desilets, Alain wrote: > I find Rick's Tiki for dummies is a really good place for that sort of > task oriented documentation. Maybe that would be a good home for that? > > Alain > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Cunningham-Lee [mailto:ga...@cu...] > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:00 PM > To: Tikiwiki developers > Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Dogfood Question > > I've thought for a long time that we're really missing information about > how to take the next steps after Tiki is installed and initially > configured. One area that would be good to collect/share information > about is how to get various layouts within a wiki page, how to place > headings, images and text so it looks like a nice HTML page, how to make > columns, how to use plugins (more details, with live examples and > discussions, etc.). This would supplement doc.tw.o, which is, I think, > best limited to reference and basic getting-started information. > > New people also ask things like when should I use a wiki page and when > an article, things on that level. > > Well, I thought mods.tikiwiki.org would be good for this, if it could be > a Tiki installation, in the sense of continuing from where the basics of > doc.tw.o leave off. This kind of information overlaps some of what I've > done at themes.tw.o (like > http://themes.tikiwiki.org/Floated%20box%20demo) but would also get into > use cases, and so there's also the connection with Profiles. Anyway, one > way or the other, the more this kind of information can be provided, the > more new people will see what Tiki is capable of, etc. And it'd be a > good place for contribution from experienced users who aren't > developers, since it's about using the software and not about the code. > > -- Gary > > > Desilets, Alain wrote: >> What a great idea Eric! >> >> Alain >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric Kelner, P.E. [mailto:ke...@le...] >> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:02 PM >> To: Gary Cunningham-Lee >> Cc: Tikiwiki developers >> Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Dogfood Question >> >> Good comments. In general, I'm wondering if the developer community >> dogfood experience is different than the "regular" users' and admins' >> experiences. I suppose it is, since developers are far more familiar >> with the code. Has there ever been a Tikifest focused on >> applications, rather than development? I'd like to learn how others >> are implementing the tool. I'd also like to learn some admin tricks. > >> I'm probably missing a lot of good stuff. I recall seeing a brief >> user's presentation at a Tikifest awhile back, but I'm thinking it >> might be worth a one-day user's symposium or roundtable, maybe on the >> front-end of a Tikifest. Participants could post discussion >> questions/topics (on a wiki page, of course) ahead of time. >> Users/Admins could give brief >> (15 minute) overviews of their sites, followed by discussion for, say >> 45 >> >> minutes, providing a lot of discussion time. Being on the front end >> of a Tikifest, it may also stimulate developer discussion. If the >> concept were to catch on, I can envision possible on-line interactive >> training sessions and Q/A for new users as well. >> >> Off the top of my head, here's a possible agenda. Ideally, each >> application would be completely different in its approach. >> >> 8:00 - Opening and Introductions >> 8:15-9:30 - Discussion/User Questions >> 9:30-9:45 - Tiki Application #1 Presentation 9:45-10:30 - Discuss >> Application #1 >> 10:30-10:45 - Break >> 10:45-11:00 - Tiki Application #2 Presentation >> 11:00-11:45 - Discuss Application #2 >> 11:45-1:00 - Lunch >> 1:00-2:30 - Admin Tips, Tricks and Techniques >> 2:30-2:45 - Tiki Application #3 Presentation 2:45-3:30 - Discuss >> Application #3 >> 3:30-3:45 - Break >> 3:45-4:00 - Tiki Application #4 Presentation >> 4:00-4:45 - Discuss Application #4 >> 4:45-5:00 - Closing Remarks/Adjourn >> 5:30 - Happy Hour (Can't forget this!) >> >> I know user groups aren't a new idea. This one came to my mind as >> something that seems to be missing. We could call it "TUG." I'd be >> happy to take the lead if there's interest. If it's already happening > >> in one form or another, please let me know who the lead is. It also >> wouldn't necessarily have to be done in coordination with a Tikifest - > >> that just seems convenient. >> >> Eric Kelner, P.E. >> Vice President >> Letton-Hall Group >> 210-372-0830 (Office) >> 210-875-6277 (Cell) >> www.letton-hall.com >> >> >> >> Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote: >>> I like the idea of doing the discussion within the wiki page itself, >>> but often it isn't easy to see who said what and when they said it. >>> (Probably people rely on the page history to keep track of >>> contributions.) I suppose people work out some methods of formatting >>> the page if this is important to see in-page (even something >>> impromptu >>> like how it was done at the doc.tw.o Editorial Board pages). >>> >>> Somebody asked in irc about if Tiki had in-page signatures like >>> Mediawiki does. Apparently the author/editor can add a little syntax >>> and then his/her name, the edit time, and some other info will be >>> pasted in as text. It'd be good if Tiki had this also. And I was >>> thinking it'd be interesting to think about taking this another step >>> and maybe have something like a highlight background color on the >>> person's contribution on mouseover, or meta information in a popup or > >>> something. Just hover around the page and see creation info >>> colorfully. The downside would be no appearance of it when printed. >>> >>> -- Gary >>> >>> Desilets, Alain wrote: >>>> Could have done it that way. Personally, I find comments are mostly >> good >>>> to allow users to rapidly post casual comments on a page. >>>> Alain >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Eric Kelner, P.E. [mailto:ke...@le...] Sent: >>>> Thursday, December 17, 2009 1:34 PM >>>> To: Tikiwiki developers >>>> Subject: [Tikiwiki-devel] Dogfood Question >>>> >>>> Hi All: >>>> >>>> I just read the Watch Icon discussion and have a question. Why >>>> isn't >>>> the comments feature being used? Everyone is just editing the wiki >>>> page. It seems that the comment feature would be the best way to >>>> capture the discussion, then you could rank ideas by scoring the >>>> comments. Since it's a discussion by tiki developers, it's >>>> interesting that it isn't used. 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