From: J B. <jm...@no...> - 2009-01-24 19:11:29
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+1 - Sounds good to me jonny On 24 Jan 2009, at 08:09, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote: > Hi, > > I think the legacy upgrade theme should have a tiki.tpl with a > table, to > make it easier to get old themes updated and more true to the old > look, > so this would be legacy.css. But in line with some earlier > discussions, > a good thing to try would be a CSS file that takes care of the page > layout and so on, and just leaves the more visible theme aspects to > either an importing CSS file or a theme option file. This would be > *litecss-based and would be an answer to "what theme or CSS file > should > I use to base a new theme on?" This would be the Liteplus theme > (working > title but seems appropriate). Actually these two CSS files would > probably be the same except for the main layout stuff (which is only a > few dozen lines in the file). Anyway, that's the idea that I'd like to > work on. > > -- Gary > > J Bradley wrote: >> Hi Gary (and devel-gang) >> >> Excellent work! They look ok to me on either base theme, but i don't >> have time now for a full investigation. Most of those themes were far >> from perfect anyway, so i think as long as it gets close to how they >> were it shows that we're making an effort to make the upgrade path as >> smooth as possible! >> >> Do you think we're looking at two legacy themes? One table-based and >> one "*liteplus"? A single thing would be better i think if possible. >> >> Anyway, so glad to see my beloved theme-options getting some use! :) >> >> jonny >> >> >> On 23 Jan 2009, at 04:50, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote: >> >>> I spent a little time on this, using as the foundation the >>> stylesheet I >>> normally start a new theme with. This is *lite.css-based as my first >>> thought was "no special templates". You can see at >>> http://zukakakina.com/ui/, and change the theme to "liteplus.css", >>> then >> >> >> And then on 23 Jan 2009, at 05:36, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote: >> >>> Hi again, >>> >>> Hmm, OK, thinking some more (you might be thinking what took me so >>> long >>> ;-) ), maybe it should be a tiki.tpl as close to Tikineat's as >>> possible, >>> for the easiest update compatibility. My inclination to use a newer >>> tpl >>> was that they are "improved" but I guess that could be a problem >>> here. >>> So I took trunk's Tikineat tiki.tpl and added just the Site Identity >>> divs from the default tiki.tpl. I didn't test much yet but it should >>> work fine. It's "legacy.css" at zukakakina/ui/ (no options yet) >>> and I >>> put the tiki.tpl here if you want to use it: >>> http://zukakakina.com/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=50. Later these >>> files (or similar) should be in mods probably, but maybe Tiki >>> version >>> compatibility for mods needs to be sorted out first. >>> >>> -- Gary >>> >>> >>> >>> J Bradley wrote: >>>> Hi Gary >>>> >>>> Feb12 ay... hmmm, think i'll try and work on some other colour-ways >>>> for that one then! >>>> I was thinking of doing an option for darkroom called lightroom (or >>>> something). >>>> >>>> I thought the "legacy" theme would be based on the pre-*lite >>>> (table- >>>> based) type of templates to give people an easy way to upgrade >>>> their >>>> old themes to 3.0 with minimal changes? If we change the >>>> "underpinnings" everyone who has modified one of the old themes >>>> will >>>> have a load of work to do to properly upgrade. If it was me, i'd >>>> like >>>> a quick and dirty way of getting 3.0 running with my old theme, >>>> then >>>> update it to a new look and feel later. >>>> >>>> Is there one of the old themes we could take as an "average" set of >>>> templates that could be the basis for legacy? The 2.0 tikineat >>>> maybe? >>>> >>>> It's great, by the way, that the new themes don't have *any* >>>> customised templates (apart from credits.tpl, of course!) well >>>> done! >>>> >>>> jonny >>>> >>>> >>>> On 21 Jan 2009, at 12:11, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think "legacy" should have "modern" underpinnings. After all, >>>>> what >>>>> we >>>>> want to preserve is the look, etc., of the legacy themes, not >>>>> their >>>>> old-school layout methods. Also tikineat.css uses mozilla CSS >>>>> extensions >>>>> (like corner radius) that cause validation errors, and it has >>>>> missed >>>>> out >>>>> on some maintaining/improving (I for one haven't touched it while >>>>> updating other themes because I figure it's on its way out). >>>>> >>>>> Going down the list, Tikinewt has the tableless layout method and >>>>> %/em >>>>> font sizes but otherwise retains most of the old CSS of Tikineat. >>>>> Darkroom is up to date, but its light-on-dark coloring will cause >>>>> problems for themes that expect default dark text on light >>>>> background, >>>>> which is more common, so I think shouldn't be used except maybe by >>>>> other >>>>> light-on-dark themes. The News and Feb12, in trunk, are good >>>>> candidates >>>>> and of these I think Feb12 has better CSS file content >>>>> organization. >>>>> >>>>> The themes in experimental/ui-revamp are pretty close to their >>>>> trunk >>>>> equivalents at this point except for having the branch's page >>>>> control >>>>> selectors/properties and redone CSS menus to support the page >>>>> controls >>>>> and search button as well as the normal site menus. (See >>>>> http://zukakakina.com/ui/ for a branch experimental-revamp test >>>>> install >>>>> where PHP layers menus are turned off and CSS menus are used >>>>> instead.) >>>>> Coelesce is essentially the same CSS as the other core themes >>>>> except >>>>> for >>>>> its own visual styling and special treatment in the site header >>>>> for >>>>> the >>>>> search form there. Feb12 has fewer theme-specific details than >>>>> Coelese, >>>>> so probably would need less CSS property overriding in the option >>>>> theme >>>>> file. >>>>> >>>>> -- Gary >>>>> >>>>> J Bradley wrote: >>>>>> + me too - yes, good idea. >>>>>> >>>>>> I keep spotting other places where theme options need >>>>>> implementing >>>>>> (group themes f'rincetance) so i'll try and nail them all soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> Should "legacy" be based on tikineat? (as it's not using @lite >>>>>> afaik >>>>>> and i think was due to be dropped) >>>>>> >>>>>> By the way, which is the best new theme to use as a "master" >>>>>> template? >>>>>> Darkroom seems to get quite a lot of attention... but what about >>>>>> coalesce (on ui.tw.o)? >>>>>> >>>>>> jonny >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Jan 2009, at 08:58, Xavier de Pedro wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>> Good point Gary, and Jonny for coding it on tiki 3 >>>>>>> Xavi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> En/na Gary Cunningham-Lee ha escrit: >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> About geo and other old themes, we talked before about having a >>>>>>>> basic >>>>>>>> css file for layout, and then "style" css files that apply >>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>>> coloring and so on. An easy way to do this now would be to use >>>>>>>> trunk's >>>>>>>> theme option feature that Jonny added. How about having a >>>>>>>> "legacy.css" >>>>>>>> (or other neutral name) as the foundation and then "geo.css" >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> older themes still being used as the theme options. These theme >>>>>>>> options >>>>>>>> would just overwrite or add properties specific to the >>>>>>>> particular >>>>>>>> legacy >>>>>>>> theme. This method would make it easy to maintain old themes as >>>>>>>> long as >>>>>>>> they don't need special templates. I'll try to get a start on >>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- Gary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> J Bradley wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Günther - replying on the devel list in case it's relevant >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> anyone else. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looks like it's /templates/styles/geo/modules/mod- >>>>>>>>> login_box.tpl >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> must be to blame - probably would be easiest to just delete >>>>>>>>> (or >>>>>>>>> rename >>>>>>>>> it) it if you want to keep on that theme. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Geo themes don't seem to have made it into tiki 3 so >>>>>>>>> far, as >>>>>>>>> no- >>>>>>>>> one's updated them, but i have a site that used to use it, >>>>>>>>> so i >>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>> have a go one day... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Glad we got it fixed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> jonny >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: >>>>>>>> SourcForge Community >>>>>>>> SourceForge wants to tell your story. >>>>>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Tikiwiki-devel mailing list >>>>>>>> Tik...@li... >>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>> UB Physical Optics Research Group >>>>>>> Departament de Física Aplicada i Òptica >>>>>>> Facultat de Fisica. 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