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Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Old themes as theme options
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From: Gary Cunningham-L. <ga...@cu...> - 2009-01-24 15:46:28
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Hi, I think the legacy upgrade theme should have a tiki.tpl with a table, to make it easier to get old themes updated and more true to the old look, so this would be legacy.css. But in line with some earlier discussions, a good thing to try would be a CSS file that takes care of the page layout and so on, and just leaves the more visible theme aspects to either an importing CSS file or a theme option file. This would be *litecss-based and would be an answer to "what theme or CSS file should I use to base a new theme on?" This would be the Liteplus theme (working title but seems appropriate). Actually these two CSS files would probably be the same except for the main layout stuff (which is only a few dozen lines in the file). Anyway, that's the idea that I'd like to work on. -- Gary J Bradley wrote: > Hi Gary (and devel-gang) > > Excellent work! They look ok to me on either base theme, but i don't > have time now for a full investigation. Most of those themes were far > from perfect anyway, so i think as long as it gets close to how they > were it shows that we're making an effort to make the upgrade path as > smooth as possible! > > Do you think we're looking at two legacy themes? One table-based and > one "*liteplus"? A single thing would be better i think if possible. > > Anyway, so glad to see my beloved theme-options getting some use! :) > > jonny > > > On 23 Jan 2009, at 04:50, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote: > >> I spent a little time on this, using as the foundation the >> stylesheet I >> normally start a new theme with. This is *lite.css-based as my first >> thought was "no special templates". You can see at >> http://zukakakina.com/ui/, and change the theme to "liteplus.css", >> then > > > And then on 23 Jan 2009, at 05:36, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote: > >> Hi again, >> >> Hmm, OK, thinking some more (you might be thinking what took me so >> long >> ;-) ), maybe it should be a tiki.tpl as close to Tikineat's as >> possible, >> for the easiest update compatibility. My inclination to use a newer >> tpl >> was that they are "improved" but I guess that could be a problem >> here. >> So I took trunk's Tikineat tiki.tpl and added just the Site Identity >> divs from the default tiki.tpl. I didn't test much yet but it should >> work fine. It's "legacy.css" at zukakakina/ui/ (no options yet) and I >> put the tiki.tpl here if you want to use it: >> http://zukakakina.com/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=50. Later these >> files (or similar) should be in mods probably, but maybe Tiki version >> compatibility for mods needs to be sorted out first. >> >> -- Gary >> >> >> >> J Bradley wrote: >>> Hi Gary >>> >>> Feb12 ay... hmmm, think i'll try and work on some other colour-ways >>> for that one then! >>> I was thinking of doing an option for darkroom called lightroom (or >>> something). >>> >>> I thought the "legacy" theme would be based on the pre-*lite (table- >>> based) type of templates to give people an easy way to upgrade their >>> old themes to 3.0 with minimal changes? If we change the >>> "underpinnings" everyone who has modified one of the old themes will >>> have a load of work to do to properly upgrade. If it was me, i'd like >>> a quick and dirty way of getting 3.0 running with my old theme, then >>> update it to a new look and feel later. >>> >>> Is there one of the old themes we could take as an "average" set of >>> templates that could be the basis for legacy? The 2.0 tikineat maybe? >>> >>> It's great, by the way, that the new themes don't have *any* >>> customised templates (apart from credits.tpl, of course!) well done! >>> >>> jonny >>> >>> >>> On 21 Jan 2009, at 12:11, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote: >>> >>>> I think "legacy" should have "modern" underpinnings. After all, what >>>> we >>>> want to preserve is the look, etc., of the legacy themes, not their >>>> old-school layout methods. Also tikineat.css uses mozilla CSS >>>> extensions >>>> (like corner radius) that cause validation errors, and it has missed >>>> out >>>> on some maintaining/improving (I for one haven't touched it while >>>> updating other themes because I figure it's on its way out). >>>> >>>> Going down the list, Tikinewt has the tableless layout method and >>>> %/em >>>> font sizes but otherwise retains most of the old CSS of Tikineat. >>>> Darkroom is up to date, but its light-on-dark coloring will cause >>>> problems for themes that expect default dark text on light >>>> background, >>>> which is more common, so I think shouldn't be used except maybe by >>>> other >>>> light-on-dark themes. The News and Feb12, in trunk, are good >>>> candidates >>>> and of these I think Feb12 has better CSS file content organization. >>>> >>>> The themes in experimental/ui-revamp are pretty close to their trunk >>>> equivalents at this point except for having the branch's page >>>> control >>>> selectors/properties and redone CSS menus to support the page >>>> controls >>>> and search button as well as the normal site menus. (See >>>> http://zukakakina.com/ui/ for a branch experimental-revamp test >>>> install >>>> where PHP layers menus are turned off and CSS menus are used >>>> instead.) >>>> Coelesce is essentially the same CSS as the other core themes except >>>> for >>>> its own visual styling and special treatment in the site header for >>>> the >>>> search form there. Feb12 has fewer theme-specific details than >>>> Coelese, >>>> so probably would need less CSS property overriding in the option >>>> theme >>>> file. >>>> >>>> -- Gary >>>> >>>> J Bradley wrote: >>>>> + me too - yes, good idea. >>>>> >>>>> I keep spotting other places where theme options need implementing >>>>> (group themes f'rincetance) so i'll try and nail them all soon. >>>>> >>>>> Should "legacy" be based on tikineat? (as it's not using @lite >>>>> afaik >>>>> and i think was due to be dropped) >>>>> >>>>> By the way, which is the best new theme to use as a "master" >>>>> template? >>>>> Darkroom seems to get quite a lot of attention... but what about >>>>> coalesce (on ui.tw.o)? >>>>> >>>>> jonny >>>>> >>>>> On 21 Jan 2009, at 08:58, Xavier de Pedro wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> +1 >>>>>> Good point Gary, and Jonny for coding it on tiki 3 >>>>>> Xavi >>>>>> >>>>>> En/na Gary Cunningham-Lee ha escrit: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> About geo and other old themes, we talked before about having a >>>>>>> basic >>>>>>> css file for layout, and then "style" css files that apply >>>>>>> specific >>>>>>> coloring and so on. An easy way to do this now would be to use >>>>>>> trunk's >>>>>>> theme option feature that Jonny added. How about having a >>>>>>> "legacy.css" >>>>>>> (or other neutral name) as the foundation and then "geo.css" and >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> older themes still being used as the theme options. These theme >>>>>>> options >>>>>>> would just overwrite or add properties specific to the particular >>>>>>> legacy >>>>>>> theme. This method would make it easy to maintain old themes as >>>>>>> long as >>>>>>> they don't need special templates. I'll try to get a start on >>>>>>> this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Gary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J Bradley wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Günther - replying on the devel list in case it's relevant >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> anyone else. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looks like it's /templates/styles/geo/modules/mod-login_box.tpl >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> must be to blame - probably would be easiest to just delete (or >>>>>>>> rename >>>>>>>> it) it if you want to keep on that theme. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Geo themes don't seem to have made it into tiki 3 so far, as >>>>>>>> no- >>>>>>>> one's updated them, but i have a site that used to use it, so i >>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>> have a go one day... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Glad we got it fixed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> jonny >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: >>>>>>> SourcForge Community >>>>>>> SourceForge wants to tell your story. >>>>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Tikiwiki-devel mailing list >>>>>>> Tik...@li... >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ----------- >>>>>> UB Physical Optics Research Group >>>>>> Departament de Física Aplicada i Òptica >>>>>> Facultat de Fisica. 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