Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Diff changes in 1.9 - and the 3rules

[mose <mo...@ti...>]

le Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 03:19:21PM -0700 par Stuart Donaldson :
> mose wrote:
> 
> >- the comments.php is one of the abherrations that we have to get rid
> >off. That file sucks and uses too much lines and exceptions to do that.
> >
> > 
> >
> Does this mean that abherrations are exempt?

- it's question of time scale. ponctual abheration are frequent.
A sane environment should be able to mutate abheration to adapt with
the rest, or reject them. Like in an organism. 



> >The forum rewrite from scratch can be good if someone does it, it
> >could be the occasion for a new forum feature, to manage a soft 
> >transition beetween 2 types of forums with maybe migration scripts ?
> >
> > 
> >
> So is a "soft transition" a possible way to drop something? At what 
> point could the old comments or forum stuff be dropped? What if someone 
> likes the way the old system works? Are both required to be perpetually 
> supported?
> 
> Ok, so I go back and re-read the 3rules, and don't see anything thta 
> prohibits changes, only that you should "try to make it optional" and to 
> try and achieve consensus on a change. That doesn't forbid it. You 
> aren't required to make it optional.

- don't read rules too much. better spend time to feel the environment
and read the source code, as well as trying to understand who, what and 
why. 

Having soft rules makes that we avoid to be annoyed by people that
conform to the laws rather than to the reality. Bureaucrats, small
chiefs, and binocles smurfs.



> Perhaps what got me going on this is Damians comment about the changes 
> to diff:
> 
> /Sorry but if you dont follow the 3rules, keep your changes to yourself. 
> Everyone has to follow those rules. We dont have many, the the 3 we do have 
> are there for reasons./
> 
> Is it possible this was a bit harsh? Maybe the author of the diff 
> changes just needed more discussion in the list? Or need to go in not so 
> close on a release such as 1.9?

- it have been agreed by damian to be harsh and not diplomatic at
all, during an irc fight that followed that message. Discussions are
much more interactive on irc than on that mailing-list.
Don't think that type of lack of diplomacy is common. It's isolated
and sorted out with no delay the rare times it occurs.	


> I for one like the new diff's and think it is a good improvement. Which 
> of the 3 rules were not followed, and warrant a "keep your changes to 
> yourself" comment?

- if the change disturbs someone that feels annoyed enough to express
it and if he's relevant in his experience with tikiwiki, that's a breakage 
of the first rule, then the third one solves the issue.

The 'keep your change for yourself' can be considered as a clumsiness
due to fatigue, work load, or anything that makes that human beings
are not so constant and deserve compassion and tolerance.


cheers,
mose