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Re: [sword-app-tech] "I'd love to see SWORD's non-AtomPub compliant parts formulated/submitted as AtomPub extensions @ietf"
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From: Adrian S. <a.s...@uk...> - 2010-01-14 11:08:26
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Just spotted a tweet from Peter Keane on this: "@swordapp @jimdowning best place to engage atompub community (proposals, questions, etc.) is mailing list http://www.imc.org/atom-protocol/" http://twitter.com/pkeane/status/7709289065 Ade On 14 Jan 2010, at 11:02, Adrian Stevenson wrote: > Cheers Scott, that's helpful. We've been a little wary of getting involved with the whole standardisation area so far, but maybe now the time is right. I'll be interested to see what others think. I'd also be interested to know just how much work and time this would require, but I suspect it's tricky to say? > > Ade > __________________________________ > Adrian Stevenson > SWORD Project Manager > UKOLN > University of Bath > Bath > BA2 7AY > UK > > Tel: +44 (0) 161 445 4934 > a.s...@uk... > http://www.swordapp.org/ > http://www.twitter.com/swordapp > http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/ > > On 14 Jan 2010, at 09:57, Scott Wilson wrote: > >> The AtomPub WG is now concluded, however I suggest emailing the Application Area Directors proposing a SWORD-APP BOF session at the next IETF meeting as way of stimulating discussion on forming a new IETF WG for SWORD: >> >> lis...@gm... >> ale...@is... >> >> Future meetings are listed here: >> >> http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html >> >> There is a meeting in Maastricht in July which may be appropriate. >> >> S >> >> On 14 Jan 2010, at 08:55, Adrian Stevenson wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> A useful response below from Ross Gardler at OSS Watch following some discussions we had on the sword partners list. David Flanders suggested sword spec development might have been appropriate for an Apache community incubator, but it looks like it probably isn't. Julie Allinson pointed out that re. the sword software, "the main repository software vendors have implemented sword as part of core code now so I'm guessing they don't need 'incubating". >>> >>> Cheers, Ade >>> >>> =====================response from Ross================== >>> >>> "OK, so it's not about software, we at OSS Watch don't really deal with standards other than through the provision of reference implementations in software. >>> >>> In terms of building a meritocracy to drive your extensions forward the first port of call would obviously be with those defining AtomPub itself [1] (assuming this is a meritocracy). Doing it separate from a pre-existing community would be just a duplication of effort in most cases. >>> >>> If this is a no go for some reason then I would recommend you look at the Open Web Foundation [2]. Scott Wilson from CETIS is a member and will be able to tell you if they can help. From their home page "The Open Web Foundation is an attempt to create a home for community-driven specifications. Following the open source model similar to the Apache Software Foundation, the foundation is aimed at building a lightweight framework to help communities deal with the legal requirements necessary to create successful and widely adopted specification." >>> >>> The final option, and I stress, final option, is to go it alone. This will require you to set up a governance model defining how decisions are made etc. The key is to create a model that is sufficiently lightweight to allow people to JFDI [3] but sufficiently structured to ensure that a reasonable level of control is maintained. >>> >>> OSS Watch can help you with this if you want to go that way, but I would strongly advise that you first look at the wider community. The temptation is to think something like "but we are only of interest to repositories and we know everyone in that space, so lets JFDI". The problem with this approach is that a) you have to do it rather than join it and b) since you don't know people outside that space how can you decide if they have a use for SWORD or not? >>> >>> Ross >>> >>> [1] http://bitworking.org/projects/atom/ >>> [2] http://openwebfoundation.org/ >>> [3] http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/JFDI" >>> >>> ================end of response from Ross========================== >>> >>> >>> Adrian >>> __________________________________ >>> Adrian Stevenson >>> SWORD Project Manager >>> UKOLN >>> University of Bath >>> Bath >>> BA2 7AY >>> UK >>> >>> Tel: +44 (0) 161 445 4934 >>> a.s...@uk... >>> http://www.swordapp.org/ >>> http://www.twitter.com/swordapp >>> http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/ >>> >>> On 13 Jan 2010, at 16:59, Adrian Stevenson wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All >>>> >>>> Three tweets from yesterday suggesting "@swordapp I'd love to see SWORD's non-AtomPub compliant parts formulated/submitted as AtomPub extensions @ietf" >>>> >>>> http://twitter.com/pkeane/status/7672504926 >>>> http://twitter.com/edsu/status/7674690107 >>>> http://twitter.com/sgillies/status/7675433786 >>>> >>>> Do others agree? If so, any suggestions on the best way to take this forward? I have no direct experience of communicating with the IETF myself. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Adrian >>>> __________________________________ >>>> Adrian Stevenson >>>> SWORD Project Manager >>>> UKOLN >>>> University of Bath >>>> Bath >>>> BA2 7AY >>>> UK >>>> >>>> Tel: +44 (0) 161 445 4934 >>>> a.s...@uk... >>>> http://www.swordapp.org/ >>>> http://www.twitter.com/swordapp >>>> http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the >>> world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference >>> attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through >>> interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-app-tech mailing list >>> swo...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sword-app-tech >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Throughout its 18-year history, RSA Conference consistently attracts the > world's best and brightest in the field, creating opportunities for Conference > attendees to learn about information security's most important issues through > interactions with peers, luminaries and emerging and established companies. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsaconf-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > sword-app-tech mailing list > swo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sword-app-tech > |