Re: [Semediawiki-user] Semantic wiki looking for help

[Yury K. <kat...@gm...>]

Hi!

That's very cool initiative. I think you really should nominate your wiki
to Wiki of the Month and attend SMWCon conference! There are so many
semantic wikis around but not many of them really try to use SMW power to
implement application logic like you do.

Speaking of your wiki I think some effort could be made to improve its
appearance. As far as I can see most of the pages are about pros and cons,
right? I think it would be great to style a page accordingly. In Russia we
have popular but totally unstructured website  http://lovehate.ru/ which
divides the page into pro and cotra arguments.

In WikiVote we're trying to make use of voting and reputation in wiki
systems to help solving problems in law crowdsourcing and strategic
planning. I think that voting will fit ideally in your system, maybe we can
discuss the issues in which we could help.

Sincerely yours,
Yury Katkov, WikiVote




On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Michael Turner <
mic...@gm...> wrote:

> It strikes me that you ought to work closely with Yaron Koren, main
> author/maintainer of SMW, since his (and Nick Grandy's) DiscourseDB
>
>    http://www.discoursedb.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> seems roughly the same idea as your Argumentrix.
>
> My own feelings about this kind of effort are mixed. On the one hand,
> I suppose it's useful to have a comprehensive catalog of pro- and con-
> arguments from sources meeting some basic standards of publishability.
> On the other, to paraphrase any number of old jokes: if you laid all
> the arguments for and against a controversial proposition end-to-end,
> they still wouldn't reach a conclusion - no matter how many times they
> were repeated. In fact, repetition just gets in the way after a while.
> Is there an argument for or against Obamacare or gay marriage that
> hasn't been made before? Are there any that will never be made again?
>
> Then there's whether there's much motivational basis for community
> effort on a catalogue of conflict. How much fun is it to just index
> what others have written? If it's not fun, and if your neutralizing
> ground rules provide no affordances for defining one's own identity
> within a community, you won't get much help.
>
> This is why I see more hope in ideas like Mark Klein's Deliberatorium
>
>    http://cci.mit.edu/research/deliberatorium.html
>
> It permits stating one's own opinion, with support (applied
> recursively), but it also provides for filtering out redundancy. The
> result is something more like a crowd-sourced book on the issue at
> hand -- or the outline of one, at least.
>
> -michael turner
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM, CBTalbot <cbt...@gm...> wrote:
> > I operate Argumentrix, a wiki that aims to be a machine readable index
> of opinions and arguments. I've been developing it for a little while and
> am starting to get a few more contributors. I've tried a bunch of formats
> and have settled on one as ideal. I won't explain it all here, but every
> page in the main namespace is a statement like "Governments should
> recognize both opposite and same-sex marriages" (
> http://argumentrix.com/wiki/Governments_should_recognize_both_opposite_and_same_sex_marriages)
> and various supporting and opposing ideas, premises and rebuttals each have
> their own page. Every reason to believe in an idea is a transcluded
> subpage, so you can create a precise list of ideas you agree with, and
> reasons why, and compare them with others.
> >
> > So the ultimate aim is to be completely machine-readable, but the wiki
> is only starting to get a userbase. Regardless, the first step will need to
> be a bot that can update pages to keep the format correct. I can't create
> any such bot, so I thought I'd hire somebody. But every person I've found
> has totally flaked out and not followed through at all.
> >
> > So I'd like any general thoughts or ideas on the wiki, but I'm first and
> foremost looking for someone to write a bot I can run (I'm kind of a dunce,
> so it has to be simple to run from my Mac). I can pay money, I realize this
> would take a lot of time to write and I can compensate you. The
> requirements are laid out at http://argumentrix.com/wiki/User:Conclavion.
> They are nothing too complicated, just much too tedious to do by hand. Feel
> free to ask me questions, we can even talk on the phone if you want.
> >
> > I'll respond to you here on the mailing list, if you want to talk money
> you should probably email me personally.
> >
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