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Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects: Naming
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From: Dan B. <dan...@gm...> - 2011-10-30 18:22:43
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I can think of lots of options too...
multi value property (I know)
composite property
virtual page
internal page
internal object (I know)
Ultimately, I think "subobject" and "has subobject" win in my head
because of precedence. I don't think 'object' is too far from the
truth here, in so far as a page can be described as a class
instance... It's not quite right though...
If I had to go with a new name, I may pick 'page element' and 'has
page element', as it's specific enough to not likely cause conflicts,
yet generic enough to not really imply any functionality beyond what
you read in the documentation ;-)
Great functionality though, no matter what it gets called!
Cheers,
Dan.
On 30 October 2011 11:50, Markus Krötzsch <ma...@se...> wrote:
> Here is another aggregated reply, this time about the naming.
>
> I agree that #subobject is not ideal. I agree that "object" has
> technical connotations, but not that they are necessarily related to
> anything specific; it's just a very general term that has all kinds of
> meanings in all kinds of areas. My wife laughed at me when I told her
> that we call the "objects" that are associated with "subjects"
> "subobjects" :-D
>
> There are two naming strategies: (1) use a name that refers to the
> "object" or (2) use a name that refers to the "group" of property-value
> pairs. Maybe *named* subobjects should be based on (1) while anonymous
> ones could be based on (2). Here are some variants for each:
>
> (1) object, subobject, entity, thing, element, component, part, description
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> (2) group, vector, collection, bag, container
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> I would avoid entity/thing as too vague, and vector since it suggests an
> ordering of content. Maybe one should have parser functions that suggest
> an action as opposed to a thing that the action creates. For instance,
> we could have
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> {{#describe:My office address| ...}}
>
> A related question is: how should the property be called that relates
> pages to their subobjects. It now is called "has subobject" but this
> just comes from the current name #subobject. I also found "subobject"
> hard to translate into other languages (English is still least weird
> since there are many such technical terms in computer English). A less
> technical choice of words might help there.
>
> Markus
>
>
>
> On 24/10/11 18:00, John McClure wrote:
>> Are embedded subobjects something like
>> {{#subobject: objname | objpropname= {{#subobject: subobjname |
>> subobjpropname=x}}
>> }}
>> I am mystified by the {{{given}}}...{{{family}}} parameter - how is it
>> used/referenced? More than one? Positional?
>> I don't think subobject is technically accurate, nor object for that
>> matter, as these technically connote behavior.
>> How about "vector"?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* Jon Lang [mailto:dat...@gm...]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 3:48 PM
>> *To:* Yury Katkov
>> *Cc:* Semediawiki-user; Markus Krötzsch; Semantic MediaWiki developers
>> *Subject:* Re: [SMW-devel] RFC Subobjects (aka "internal objects") in SMW
>>
>> Sorry for the late response.
>>
>> Would it be reasonable to have the syntax be something like:
>>
>> {{#subobject:name
>> | given=Jonathan
>> | family=Lang
>> | middle=LeRoy
>> | surname=Mr.
>> | {{{given}}} {{{middle}}} {{{family}}}
>> }}
>>
>> {{#subobject:name
>> | given=Ranma
>> | family=Saotome
>> | {{{family}}} {{{given}}}
>> }}
>>
>> This way, the subobject's formatting could be determined on a
>> case-by-case basis, and in a manner that people are used to (i.e.,
>> value on the left; display on the right). In effect, the unnamed
>> entry is assumed to contain an "inline template" for display
>> purposes. This saves you the trouble of writing a new template every
>> time you want to format a subobject differently.
>>
>> If no inline template is given, there should be a default inline
>> template on the property page; possibly use the property page itself
>> /as/ the default template, and rely on the usual tricks used by
>> template pages to define text that should only be available when
>> viewing the property page and text that should only be available
>> when making use of it as a template.
>>
>> BTW: "subobject" is technically accurate, but needlessly long. I'd
>> recommend going with "object" instead. Granted, this is a nitpick;
>> but there you are.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan "Dataweaver" Lang
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