From: Guido S. <gui...@fr...> - 2003-03-01 12:34:45
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There is a discussion on gnome-devel about a patch for Nautilus adding spring loaded folders. Alexander Larsson is for now unwilling to commit the patch in fear of a lawsuit by Apple. Does RiscOS use spring loaded folders and since when? Do they have a special agreement with Apple? This is an important issue, especially for the ROX-OS project. Currently ROX-Filer doesn't ship as default with a major distro, so the fact we didn't hear from Apple doesn't mean much. Here a copy of the last post from Alexander Larsson on gnome-devel: From: Alexander Larsson <al...@re...> To: John McCutchan <tt...@te...> Cc: des...@gn... Subject: Re: Spring Loaded Folders Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 04:57:28 -0500 (EST) Sender: des...@gn... On Sat, 1 Mar 2003, John McCutchan wrote: > Just thought people should know that the rox filer currently implements > spring loaded folders. They have done so for a while now with no > problems. Sure, but the second Apple files a suit against anyone, all distribution of rox binaries (and possibly sources?) break the license according to section 7 of the GPL. I guess the ROX people are willing to risk this. I do not. -- Guido Schimmels <gui...@fr...> |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@ec...> - 2003-03-01 13:16:30
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On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 01:38:30PM +0100, Guido Schimmels wrote: > There is a discussion on gnome-devel about a patch for Nautilus adding > spring loaded folders. Alexander Larsson is for now unwilling to commit > the patch in fear of a lawsuit by Apple. > Does RiscOS use spring loaded folders and since when? > Do they have a special agreement with Apple? Erm... I don't see why we'd need one. What law would allow Apple to stop us opening directories when you hold the mouse over them? AFAIK, we'd need to actually steal their code (copyright) to be in trouble. They can't do anything about look-and-feel (Xerox? Windows?) even if it wasn't such a minor thing that they wouldn't care anyway. If you're going down that route, GNOME would need to lose the Start menu and quite a few other things ;-) -- Thomas Leonard http://rox.sourceforge.net ta...@ec... ta...@us... GPG: 9242 9807 C985 3C07 44A6 8B9A AE07 8280 59A5 3CC1 |
From: Guido S. <gui...@fr...> - 2003-03-05 17:22:04
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On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:10:44 +0000 Thomas Leonard <ta...@ec...> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 01:38:30PM +0100, Guido Schimmels wrote: > > There is a discussion on gnome-devel about a patch for Nautilus adding > > spring loaded folders. Alexander Larsson is for now unwilling to commit > > the patch in fear of a lawsuit by Apple. > > Does RiscOS use spring loaded folders and since when? > > Do they have a special agreement with Apple? > > Erm... I don't see why we'd need one. What law would allow Apple to stop > us opening directories when you hold the mouse over them? AFAIK, we'd need > to actually steal their code (copyright) to be in trouble. They can't do > anything about look-and-feel (Xerox? Windows?) even if it wasn't such a > minor thing that they wouldn't care anyway. Well they do care. If you don't believe it, here it is: " United States Patent Application 20020054113 Kind Code A1 Conrad, Thomas J. ; et al. May 9, 2002 Computer system with graphical user interface including spring-loaded enclosures Abstract A new behavior in a graphical user interface allows the user to open and close enclosures, while dragging an object. When the user pauses, gestures, or rolls over a hot spot on top of an icon or text representing a closed enclosure, a temporary window for the closed enclosure is "sprung open" to allow the user to browse inside the enclosure and possible open another enclosure contained within the temporary window. This process can be carried on throughout a hierarchy of windows as the user browses for a destination window for the drag operation. All of the temporary windows except the destination are closed when the mouse button is released, signaling the end of a drag. The user may close sprung open windows by simply moving the cursor out of the sprung open window, or by making some other gesture. If an enclosure to be sprung open was previously open on the desktop, the previously opened window may zoom over to the current mouse position, and then return to its original position when the user mouse is out of the window. " -- Guido Schimmels <gui...@fr...> |
From: Thomas L. <ta...@ec...> - 2003-03-05 17:38:25
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On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:26:24PM +0100, Guido Schimmels wrote: [...] > Well they do care. > If you don't believe it, here it is: [...] > All of the temporary windows except the destination are closed when the > mouse button is released, We close the destination, so I guess we're safe. Also, spring opening isn't the default, so I guess we could add a note to the tooltip warning American users not to turn it on, so they couldn't get sued by Apple accidentally? Really, though, do we want to start adding warnings to comply with every stupid law in every country in the world? The tooltips could get pretty big... -- Thomas Leonard http://rox.sourceforge.net ta...@ec... ta...@us... GPG: 9242 9807 C985 3C07 44A6 8B9A AE07 8280 59A5 3CC1 |
From: Lemmit <le...@ka...> - 2003-03-01 13:24:12
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Hi, Guoted from Alexander Larsson: > Sure, but the second Apple files a suit against anyone, all distribution > of rox binaries (and possibly sources?) break the license according to > section 7 of the GPL. Not true - filing a suit does not mean anything other than someone _thinks_ you have breaken the law. Getting a court order is a different beast, but even then claiming the above is a FUD in that nobody knows what the case would be based on, what would be the claims and possible solution. Why would Apple sue over spring-loaded folders anyways? What is this fear based on? L. |
From: Adam S. <az...@gn...> - 2003-03-03 02:04:29
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Lemmit <le...@ka...> writes: > Why would Apple sue over spring-loaded folders anyways? They don't seem to have sued Mozilla yet -- the Mozilla bookmark manager has spring-loaded folders... -- Adam Sampson <az...@gn...> <URL:http://azz.us-lot.org/> |
From: Guido S. <gui...@fr...> - 2003-03-01 15:51:31
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On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:10:44 +0000 Thomas Leonard <ta...@ec...> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 01:38:30PM +0100, Guido Schimmels wrote: > > There is a discussion on gnome-devel about a patch for Nautilus adding > > spring loaded folders. Alexander Larsson is for now unwilling to commit > > the patch in fear of a lawsuit by Apple. > > Does RiscOS use spring loaded folders and since when? > > Do they have a special agreement with Apple? > > Erm... I don't see why we'd need one. What law would allow Apple to stop > us opening directories when you hold the mouse over them? A stupid US law, for one. In fact Alex doesn't expect it to be a problem outside the US. Of course it's ridiculous, which doesn't stop companies like Amazon.com from pulling such stunts all the time. > AFAIK, we'd need > to actually steal their code (copyright) to be in trouble. Apple certainly didn't think so over the many years they where sueing MS. > They can't do > anything about look-and-feel (Xerox? Windows?) even if it wasn't such a > minor thing that they wouldn't care anyway. Apple managed to get Aqua themes for Windows removed from themes.org. > If you're going down that route, GNOME would need to lose the Start > menu and quite a few other things ;-) Apple sue's the competition, MS buys them. -- Guido Schimmels <gui...@fr...> |
From: joe h. <jo...@sy...> - 2003-03-01 16:11:34
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We're doing here exactly what the insane lawmakers who have built the current legal framework for Intellectual Property want us to do, worry and fret over anything we do that resembles something some huge corporation does. If Apple wants to sue, let them, I say. Sheesh. On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 10:55, Guido Schimmels wrote: > On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 13:10:44 +0000 > Thomas Leonard <ta...@ec...> wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 01:38:30PM +0100, Guido Schimmels wrote: > > > There is a discussion on gnome-devel about a patch for Nautilus adding > > > spring loaded folders. Alexander Larsson is for now unwilling to commit > > > the patch in fear of a lawsuit by Apple. > > > Does RiscOS use spring loaded folders and since when? > > > Do they have a special agreement with Apple? > > > > Erm... I don't see why we'd need one. What law would allow Apple to stop > > us opening directories when you hold the mouse over them? > > A stupid US law, for one. In fact Alex doesn't expect it to be a problem > outside the US. Of course it's ridiculous, which doesn't stop companies > like Amazon.com from pulling such stunts all the time. > > > AFAIK, we'd need > > to actually steal their code (copyright) to be in trouble. > > Apple certainly didn't think so over the many years they where sueing MS. > > > They can't do > > anything about look-and-feel (Xerox? Windows?) even if it wasn't such a > > minor thing that they wouldn't care anyway. > > Apple managed to get Aqua themes for Windows removed from themes.org. > > > If you're going down that route, GNOME would need to lose the Start > > menu and quite a few other things ;-) > > Apple sue's the competition, MS buys them. > > -- > Guido Schimmels <gui...@fr...> > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > rox-devel mailing list > rox...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rox-devel |
From: Lars H. <la...@un...> - 2003-03-04 03:02:40
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On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 01:38:30PM +0100, Guido Schimmels wrote: > Does RiscOS use spring loaded folders and since when? I do not know about RiscOS but BeOS has had "spring-open folders" since at least r5 wich was released in early 2000. --- Lars Hansson |
From: Laurent M. <lau...@9o...> - 2003-03-04 10:33:01
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Lars Hansson: > I do not know about RiscOS but BeOS has had "spring-open folders" > since at least r5 wich was released in early 2000. IIRC, this was not exactly spring folders a la Apple: instead of opening a tracker (filer) window, it opened a menu listing all the sub-folders of the pointed one. Then you just had to browse through the hierarchical menu to find that deep sub-sub-sub-sub-folder. Pretty handy. Actually, that's one of the BeOS features I lack the most... (you could do that without any drag'n'drop, too, just by 'holding' a folder long enough). -- lau...@la... |
From: Lars H. <la...@un...> - 2003-03-04 11:43:11
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On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 10:36:24AM +0100, Laurent Moussault wrote: > IIRC, this was not exactly spring folders a la Apple: instead of > opening a tracker (filer) window, it opened a menu listing all the > sub-folders of the pointed one. Then you just had to browse through > the hierarchical menu to find that deep sub-sub-sub-sub-folder. Pretty > handy. Actually, that was how I thought Apple's spring-open folders worked. Opening a completely now window seems kind of cumbersome and ugly to me. Maybe ROX could do it the BeOS way :P --- Lars Hansson |