Re: [Rosegarden-user] problems in recording the sound coming out of hydrogen and my XP 80

[<je...@bl...>]

Le vendredi, 26 Novembre 2004 14.57, Toni Arnold a =E9crit=A0:
> Hi
>
> > 1) how can i use hydrogen as it sounds on the hydrogen programm in RG?
>
> If you want to use hydrogen as it sounds, then hydrogen is your sound
> engine. If hydrogen is running, it is listed in "Manage MIDI devices" in =
RG
> as "Play device". Select that instrument for the hydrogen MIDI track in R=
G.
>

OK , i dit it and it works fine.


> > 2) you guys told me to  output the sound of RG back in my keyboard since
> > RG does not play midi ...
>
> To make this clear: RG does never produce sound by itself (except when
> playing audio tracks). If you send MIDI to any device (hydrogen, XP 80,
> qsynth or whatever) then the device produces the sound, not RG.
> What you can do is to connect the audio out of the XP 80 to your
> soundcard's line input and record it as audio, either within RG
> (problematic) or with e.g. ardour (http://ardour.org/). In configure
> Rosegarden -> Sequencer you can set JACK transport mode to "Sync", and in
> ardour you can do the same via Windows -> Options editor -> Sync ->
> Positional Sync -> Sync with JACK. By this way, ardour automatically is
> synchronized with RG when you press the play or the record button.

OK .

>
> > ok..but now i only can hear one instrument even if i
> > have 3 tracks with 3 different instruments recorded.
>
> By above way, you can record as much tracks as you want in ardour. If you
> have 3 tracks with 3 different instruments, you can record them one by on=
e.
> If you play them together, it is the soundcard which produces the recorded
> sound and not the XP 80 or qsynth.
>
> > My Roland XP 80 only
> > gives me 1 sound/instrument at the time
>
> This contradicts its feature list which says that it is 16-times
> multitimbral which means that it can play 16 instruments at a time. Look =
at
> the XP 80 manual to find out how exactly multi-timbrality is managed on
> that device.
>

You are right, i did configure my keyboard to play multitracks and it works=
=20
fine now :-)=20


> > and the one that's selected at the
> > time of playing what's recorded,  not the one i chose to record.
>
> As far as I see there is no Roalnd-XP-80 in the RG library yet (Manage MI=
DI
> devices -> Import). As I don't know that synth, I cannot say which
> instrument definition will be the most similar or if you even have to
> create it from scratch.
> The point is: if you don't select a Bank and a Program in the instrument
> parameters panel of the track, you will always hear what's selected on the
> keyboard. If you select one in the panel, RG will choose that instrument
> when playing. For being able to select one, you must assign a non-anonymo=
us
> instrument to your MIDI device and select that instrument for the track.
>
OK

> > 3) anyway:  i have a sound card via 8235 (chip Realtek ALC 202 rev0) so
> > if i understand in the tutorial  (2.1.3.2 ) , this card has no synth
> > support under alsa. SO i need to use Qsynth , for example.
>
> Only if you want your sound card to produce sound out of MIDI signals
> coming from RG or your XP-80. If you like the sound of the XP-80, you don=
't
> need qsynth at all - you send MIDI to the XP-80, it will produce the sound
> you want, and then you record, mix and play it as audio.
>

Ok, so i need to record  my keyboard  as audio.

> > keyboard, so the sound recorded from the keyboard  is modified by Qsynth
> > .... i finally have no use of my keyboard!!!
>
> As I understand, you never have "recorded" the sound from the keyboard, b=
ut
> only the MIDI signals (which basically describe which note to play when).
> Thus qsynth does not "modify" the sound, it produces it from scratch.

OK

>
> > 4) SO  in order to reproduce the exact sound of my XP 80 , do i need to
> > change my card into a card with synth support under alsa?
>
> That will not help, even if you had a soundfont for all preset sounds of
> your XP 80: it will not reproduce e.g. additional effects. If you want the
> exact sound of your XP 80, then you'll have to use your XP 80 to produce
> that sound.
>
> > To conclude ,and to make it clear : i would like to record a sound from
> > my XP 80 and have the same sound coming out of my PCand  not of keyboard
>
> To summarize: "record a sound" is audio and not MIDI.  If you record MIDI,
> you always need a device to produce sound you can hear. If you record
> audio, you hear what you recorded - but you cannot edit it as you can edit
> MIDI tracks in RG (change notes, velocity, tempo etc. which is basically
> what RG is designed for).
>

OK. so i need to work all my tracks in midi first, (tempo etc) and when i a=
m=20
happy, i transfer it to audio and mix it with voice for example.


> > which seems to be useless if you want to record midi and audio together=
=2E)
> > .
>
> Not at all. If you sync RG with ardour, you can record simultaneously the
> MIDI signals in RG and the audio signals in ardour. But you don't even ne=
ed
> to record it simultaneously: record MIDI in RG, send the MIDI signals back
> to your XP 80 and while it plays, record it as audio in a second step.
>
> > I probably missed some stuff but jesus, it is not easy....
>
> It is not, I know...
>

Thank you for answering and for the advices!


Sandra


> Regards
>   Toni
>
>
>
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