From: Simone C. <si...@ca...> - 2004-03-17 16:01:34
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Il giorno 17/mar/04, alle 16:32, Luke Schierer ha scritto: > i fail to see how, when programing something for your own use and/or > the > use of your friends having users is anything other than a side benifit. > what you fail to understand is that as a user you are a second class > citizen. you are still thinking in terms of the comercial software > world > that is user-oriented because they need to make money off of you. if > you > paid me something then you could expect me to care about your problems. > as it is, you should rejoice that i even listen: i don't have to, i > could utterly ignore you and the things that i want <insert oss project > name here> to do would still happen. Let me do a bit of trolling, but I am curious. I agree that the model you described up there: it is definitely someting within your rights, and OSS developer does not equal to working-for-free-moron or even freedom-idealist. After all, one could always fork the project. Back to the point of contributions ("if you paid me something then you could expect me to care about your problems") I wonder if the Gaim development team ever received some donations (money or else) and if you're willing to receive such donations. Moreover, if such donations will determine what things are being done and/or internal development priorities. Do you think that building a transparent model for handling donations would be "needed", "ethical", or what? for example, what if I am a rich moron that would donate 10K EUR if the official branch of gaim will contain a preference to disable buddy list tooltips? Will you accept them? Will you comply to the request? Let me say I am not an OSS fundamentalist or whatsoever. I am only interested in your point about this "problem". Thanks in advance for your answers. > > luke > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 09:09:02PM -0500, Gregory F. March wrote: > > Content-Description: original message before SpamAssassin >> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:09:02 -0500 >> From: "Gregory F. March" <ma...@gf...> >> To: Evan Martin <ma...@da...> >> cc: "Gregory F. March" <ma...@gf...>, >> gai...@li... >> Subject: Re: [Gaim-devel] Freakin' annoying tooltips >> >> >> On Mar 13, 2004, Evan Martin <ma...@da...> wrote: >> >> |As Hans pointed out, the GTK developers have a lot of better things >> to >> |do than download older versions of GTK to try to reproduce a bug >> |someone's reporting, especially when they have a ChangeLog entry >> |that indicates it's been fixed. >> | >> |Their response was entirely reasonable. I think they'd be happy to >> fix >> |the problem if you gave them a reasonable (that is, includes version >> |information, debug traces, or whatever else they requested) bug >> report. >> >> <flame> >> >> See, the problem with Hans' response (and several of the online and >> offline responses to that bug) is that these "better than everyone >> else" OSS developers who volunteer all their time, blah, blah, tend to >> take the easy way out (read: quoting verse). And, while they are at >> it, they see fit to put people down. And who do they put down? Their >> USERS!!! Well, duh! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. >> >> I've done my share of OSS, so it really bugs me to be preached at and >> put down. >> >> Let's take the current thread. Gaim has "principles" (who made those >> principles anyway?) and violating those principles is a bad thing. >> Introducing these poor gui designs would really hurt gaim. Giving the >> user too many preferences is bad. Etc. >> >> Well... has anyone ever taken a look at the gaim preferences panel? >> It's called create a panel and throw stuff into it ad hoc. Look at >> the fonts panel. I still can't figure out what it is for. >> >> Whatever, my point is not to pick on gaim - I've used it for years and >> really like it despite it's quirks. Which brings us back to the whole >> point of this thread. I want to use gaim on the crappy win32 platform >> I'm stuck with at work and I can't without a lot of interference from >> these tooltips. >> >> Unfortunately, I'm at a point in my life/career where it is difficult >> to contribute so I come to this list asking for help. >> >> We've already probably spent more time than it would have taken to >> implement the freakin' preference. Can we just do it? >> >> Thanks... >> >> </flame> >> >> /greg >> >> >> -- >> Gregory F. 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