Re: [Phpwiki-talk] [patch] remove wrap=virtual

[Jeroen C. <je...@li...>]

Reini Urban said the following on 04/07/04 01:42:
> Jeroen Coumans schrieb:
> 
>> I have no interest in supporting a browser whose rendering engine is 
>> from 1997 and chokes on anything resembling valid CSS or HTML4. See 
>> <http://www.alistapart.com/articles/netscape/> for a good argument why 
>> everyone should drop support for NN4. 
> 
> I refuse to do that. Argument: http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/
> It's very easy to detect such an old browser and emit the necessary not 
> xhtml-strict "wrap=virtual".

Well, it's unfortunately beyond my PHP-capabilities :-) (I'm still learning)

> We already do that. Advanced features (for the latest browsers) are 
> @import'ed, while older browsers still got some food to display. I 
> haven't tested it with CSS support off lately, but it should look fine 
> for the "Portland" theme, which is such an ancient theme.
> 
> Testing other XHTML conformity, esp. in Templates was done some time 
> ago, and will be done on a regular basis. but not now, and not by me 
> probably. our internal php code (from core and plugins) is automatically 
> xhtml conformant. I know of no single other app which can say that.

I didn't mean to attack your current templates; they're pretty clean and 
validate to XHTML-transitional. Your work is very much appreciated! 
However, as they say, standing still is going back, and there are 
certainly other apps with better default templates, esp. recent versions 
of some advanced blog tools & CMS'es, like MovableType, Wordpress, 
Drupal and Plone.

I'd like to make the PhpWiki templates:
* more accessible (<http://www.accessify.com>, 
<http://diveintoaccessibility.org/>)
* more usable (<http://usabilitygarage.com/>, <http://www.useit.com/>
* more semantically correct 
(<http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/08/26/semantics_an/>, 
<http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2003/08/26/semantics.html> and mainly 
<http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/>)

Attaining these goals is IMHO worth the "drop" of NN4 & friends by 
giving it unstyled (but more usable) content through @import. It also 
would simplify the stylesheets & template code while being more useful & 
styleful for more modern browsers.

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