Re: [Openvpn-devel] Topics for today's meeting

[Jan J. K. <ja...@ni...>]

Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> I hate CMake, it is way too complex, these guys re-invented the wheel
> with no decent reuse of any methodology / language that existed
> before.
>   
I agree with Alon here :

+1 autoconf
-9 CMake

esp troubleshooting a non-working CMake setup is a nightmare.

JJK
> If we take SCons as another example, it took python and used it to do
> build... So if you are python developer most probably you know how to
> SCons.
> Also, look the huge backlog of bugs of CMake, it is amazing!
>
> Common to both CMake and SCons is the ability to work with Microsoft
> toolchain to produce binaries. This is a great advantage over the
> autotools. However, these tools are inferior when it comes to
> autotools (provided you know what you are doing) in *NIX, embedded and
> cross compile.
>
> To build using CMake or SCCons you need these tools on *TARGET*
> machine, these tools has LONG LIST of dependencies. To build using
> autotools you need POSIX utils (sh, sed, ls, rm, ...) and POSIX make
> and that's it!
>
> I don't mind if for Windows CMake/SCons will be maintain in addition,
> keep autotools usage for windows cross compile and *NIX build using
> autotools.
>
> Alon.
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Adriaan de Jong <de...@fo...> wrote:
>   
>> Just to put in my 2cents on the build options: there is a tool that supports all of those environments (gmake, cygwin, mingw, nmake, visual studio, eclipse, ....), and that's CMake. It's widely used, and has a pretty good track record. It can also support automated test environments and packaging.
>>
>> It has one major disadvantage: the current build system would need to be converted from an autoconf-based to a new CMake-based system, together with all of the knowledge contained within it. Further, there is less knowledge of CMake than autoconf within the OpenVPN community.
>>
>> Disclaimer: I'm not trying to start a holy war here, I know every system has its own advantages and drawbacks. I just want to get the option on the table :). I've had some positive experience with CMake, through PolarSSL and some projects at work. I'll try to make it to the meeting this evening for the discussion.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Adriaan
>>
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Samuli Seppänen [mailto:sa...@op...]
>>> Sent: donderdag 24 november 2011 9:48
>>> To: ope...@li...
>>> Subject: [Openvpn-devel] Topics for today's meeting
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We're having an IRC meeting today, starting at 18:00 UTC on #openvpn-
>>> de...@ir.... Current topic list is here:
>>>
>>> <https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/Topics-2011-11-24>
>>>
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