[Openmsx-bugs] [ openmsx-Bugs-1705036 ] legato envelopes missing in FM emulation

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Bugs item #1705036, was opened at 2007-04-21 21:53
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Category: Sound
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Manuel Bilderbeek (manuelbi)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: legato envelopes missing in FM emulation

Initial Comment:
There are quite some bug reports from musicians that the openMSX Y8950 emulation (and possibly also the YMF278 and maybe even the YM2413) does not implement legato envelopes (notes stop and smoothly transition into the next one). Here is wat Jorrith writes about it:

> On real hardware, this works just fine:
>
> http://www.jorito.net/files/impact_copyiscrime1.mp3
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> (recorded from an FS-A1GT with a Philips Music Module; sounds the same on a Philips NMS8245 tho)
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> On Open/BlueMSX, it doesn't. I was too lazy to create a recording, so you might want to check it for yourself (and get a cool MSX demo for your efforts ;)). It's the 4th part in the demo, you can skip parts with the space key. It runs on an MSX2 with 128kB RAM and 128kB VRAM and an MSX Audio. You can find the demo in the disk image.
>
> Some snippets of our talk in #msx is also attached:


Jorito_: Quibus: http://www.jorito.net/files/impact_copyiscrime1.mp3
[21:12] Jorito_: compare that with openmsx
[21:12] Jorito_: that recording is from my GT with a musmod
[21:14] Wolf_: oooh.. is it about the legato notes? 
[21:15] Wolf_: not tested yet.. but the title says enough to me 
[21:16] Wolf_: legato envelopes even
[21:17] Jorito_: yep, that's the one
[21:25] Wolf_: I actually mentioned that very same title sometime before
[21:27] Jorito_: it's prolly a simple envelope thingie
[21:27] Quibus: we actually didn't write the sound emulation
[21:27] Wolf_: the attack of a new note is related to the release rate of the previous one
[21:28] Wolf_: -iirc-
[21:28] Jorito_: Quibus: there's no new version of that engine you're using?
[21:29] Quibus: Not that I know
[21:29] Quibus: But feel free to correct me
[21:29] Jorito_: I don't know what engine you're using 
[21:30] Wolf_: Jorito_: email that crime1 link to dvik!
[21:30] Wolf_: and perhaps a .dsk of impaccable
[21:30] Jorito_: hey, that's a good idea  :) 
[21:30] Jorito_: but... I can't verify if it does the same on blue
[21:30] Wolf_: prolly
[21:31] Wolf_: I bet a dime it sucks on all emulators :P
[21:32] Wolf_: the effect is not something everyone's familliar with, so the chance that someone incorporates it into emulation gets smaller
[21:34] Quibus: anyway, that FM emulation code is rather messy and not written/designed by MSX emulator authors  :) 
[21:34] Quibus: So it's hard to solve it there
[21:37] Wolf_: Actually it's quite typically something scene'ish, that whole effect
[21:37] Wolf_: I couldn't just come up with a JP *game* that has this effect
[21:37] Wolf_: that's prolly why the effect is not present in emulation
[21:37] Jorito_: weird when you consider the plethora of games that use the msx audio :P 
[21:38] Wolf_: hm.. wasn't the same thing also present in the fm-pac?
[21:38] ? Wolf_ not sure :S
[21:38] Jorito_: less so, iirc
[21:38] Wolf_: well, finding out is simple: run a microcabin bgm player, if something sounds weird, envelope-wise, then fm-pac has that effect too


So, the demo he is talking about is "Copy is Crime", by Impact.

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>Comment By: Manuel Bilderbeek (manuelbi)
Date: 2009-10-02 23:16

Message:
Meits recorded the following on a real MSX-AUDIO: in Moonblaster 1.4,
select the voice Alien 2 and make this pattern: c4 d4 e4 f4 g4, with like 7
steps between each. 

on an emulator every tone is like it's the first... on msx some of the
envelope of the previous tone comes along with the next one...

Please check attached mp3 of the above mentioned pattern on real MSX.

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