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Re: [Obo-envo] obo-Environmental Ontology (EnvO) termrequests-1883881 New terms needed
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From: Cohen, K. B. <kb...@mi...> - 2008-02-04 17:15:28
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Hello, Hilmar et al., Hilmar raises some questions about the legitimacy of using Wikipedia articles as references in OBO. I will stay out of the discussion that I am sure will ensue, other than to ask what proportion of EnvO definitions currently have a Wikipedia article as at least one of their references? Impressionistically, I suspect that it is probably a nontrivial percentage--possibly more so in some parts of the ontology (I'm thinking of geological features) than in others. I did want to correct one factual statement in Hilmar's post. There *is,* indeed, a mechanism for making permanent reference to a specific version of a Wikipedia entry. (At least, it's as permanent as Wikipedia is. :-)) Here are the instructions for one of the new terms that was requested in the most recent message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Cite&page=Tuya&id=186 191042 Note that the page raises a caution about using Wikipedia as a scholarly citation, agreeing with Hilmar's reservations for the most part. Kev ----------------------------------------------- Kevin Bretonnel Cohen Lead Artificial Intelligence Engineer Human Language Technology Dept. (G063), The MITRE Corp. Phone: 303-916-2417 Web: http://compbio.uchsc.edu/Hunter_lab/Cohen -----Original Message----- From: obo...@li... [mailto:obo...@li...] On Behalf Of Hilmar Lapp Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:02 AM To: OBO Environmental Ontology Subject: Re: [Obo-envo] obo-Environmental Ontology (EnvO) termrequests-1883881 New terms needed Many of these, and of those in one of the previous bulk requests, reference their definition by Wikipedia articles. Citing Wikipedia, or any other Encyclopedia for that matter, as evidence of facts, or to substantiate claims, is generally not well accepted in scholarly work because they are not original works (or at least that's how I was brought up - set me straight if that has drastically changed meanwhile). Aside from what is or is not accepted or useful practice in citing sources, using Wikipedia articles to reference the definition of ontology terms has some further bearings, because by the nature of Wikipedia the articles are constantly changing, and a versioned article reference isn't yet available. I.e., if someone looks up the article there is no guarantee it still conveys the same concept and its semantics as it did when the term was created. Am I too off mainstream with this? I'd be interested to learn what people think about this. (Some here may have also heard that there is an on-going raging discussion among librarians and professors as to the use of Wikipedia in class work.) -hilmar Begin forwarded message: > From: "SourceForge.net" <no...@so...> > Date: January 31, 2008 4:13:02 PM EST > To: no...@so... > Subject: [Obo-envo] [ obo-Environmental Ontology (EnvO) term > requests-1883881 ] New terms needed > > Environmental Ontology (EnvO) term requests item #1883881, was > opened at 2008-01-31 21:13 > Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item > Submitter > You can respond by visiting: > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/? > func=detail&atid=934923&aid=1883881&group_id=76834 > > Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the > comment thread, > including the initial issue submission, for this request, > not just the latest update. > Category: None > Group: None > Status: Open > Resolution: None > Priority: 5 > Private: No > Submitted By: Michael Ashburner (ma11) > Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) > Summary: New terms needed > > Initial Comment: > We will need some new envo terms: > > > name: ephemeral island > def: An island, usually the consequence of the activity of a > submarine volcano, that only exists for a short period or short > periods of time after its formation, then being eroded or otherwise > disappearing beneath the surface of a body of water. > definition reference: MA:ma > as a isa of island > > name: tuya > def: A distinctive, flat-topped, steep-sided volcano formed when > lava erupts through a thick glacier or ice sheet. > definition reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuya > isa volcano > > name: complex volcano > def: A volcano with more than one feature. They form because > changes of their eruptive characteristics or the location of > multiple vents in an area. Stratovolcanoes may form complex > volcanoes, because they may overlap another from explosive > eruptions, lava flows, pyroclastic flows and by repeated eruptions, > to make multiple summits and vents. Stratovolcanoes could also form > a large caldera that gets filled in by multiple small cinder cones, > lava domes and craters may also develop on the caldera's rim. > exact synonym: compound volcano > definition reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_volcano > isa volcano > > name: pyroclastic shield volcano > def: A shield volcano that isformed mostly of pyroclastic and > highly explosive eruptions rather than relatively fluid basaltic > lava issuing from vents or fissures on the surface of the volcano. > They typically display low-angle flank slopes and have little or no > central collapse, although a shallow sag in the shield is commonly > observed. Lava is commonly extruded after the cessation of > explosive activity commonly superposes the vent region. > definition reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_shield > exact synonym: terrestrial ignimbrite shield > isa shield volcano > > name: geothermal field > def: An area where wells can be drilled to obtain elements > contained in solution in hot brines or to tap heat energy. > definition reference: http://www.webref.org/geology/g/ > geothermal_field.htm > isa volcanic feature > > On the matter of "volcano" there are clearly very different > ecological consequences of a Devonian > volcano and one that is now active. Both are "volcanoes". So I > suggest, for discussion at least > > Pleistocene volcano > Holocene volcano > Pre-pleistocene volcano [these are dead as a dodo as far as I know, > we may well, sometime, want to > split this into "Cretaceous volcano" "Cambrian volcano" but I see > no reason do this now.] > > > I think that "submarine volcano" can be merged into "seamount", > they seem to be used synonymously. Also please > delete the word : "extinct" from the def of seamount. It should > also be moveed to be a child of > "volcanic hydrographic feature: > > ============================ > New children of "protected area" > > name: Wildlife Management Area > def: A protected area with the purpose of protecting and managing > wild life. > definition reference: MA:ma > > "national wildlife refuge" should be a child of this term > > name: World Heritage Site > def: a specific site (such as a forest, mountain, lake, desert, > monument, building, complex, or city) that has been nominated and > confirmed for inclusion on the list maintained by the international > World Heritage Programme administered by the UNESCO World Heritage > Committee. > definition reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_heritage_site > > name: Biosphere Reserve > def: an international conservation designation given by UNESCO > under its Programme on Man and the Biosphere (MAB). > definition reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_reserve > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You can respond by visiting: > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/? > func=detail&atid=934923&aid=1883881&group_id=76834 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. 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