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From: Robert C. <ro...@te...> - 2009-10-09 15:55:54
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Hi, These are a few points that came up in discussion with Padraig over the Synapses proposal. Since it is still in an early stage, they are more just things to bear in mind for the next version, rather than concrete suggestions, though I hope other people will have ideas to add. For synapse specifications, I'm not a fan of the notion of a synapse as a black box that reads the postsynaptic membrane potential and tells the postsynaptic model what current to inject. This in effect forces the simulator of the postsynaptic neuron to use an explicit integration method. Instead, for an ohmic current, the black box should tell the postsynaptic simulator the conductance and driving force and let it compute the current (which it could then do implicitly, taking into account changes to the potential during the step, hence being more stable at large timesteps etc etc.) If the conductance law is more complicated, I'd favor having the synapse specification tell the simulator what expression to apply rather than having the synapse model offer to compute it though the latter could be useful as a fall-back position no doubt. Another issue that needs some clarification is the combination of axonal delays and access to the presynaptic potential. There are several different cases which risk being mixed up by the single use of "V" in the current specification: 1) a synapse model which is present on a modeled axon, so it has access to the actual membrane potential at the presynaptic terminal. There should be no concept of axoanl delay with such a model. 2) a synapse model that receives an event when the presnyaptic cell fires. The delay is applied by the presynaptic cell model somehow, and the synapse gets an event at the right time. It doesn't have a concept of delay or presynaptic potential (unless it introduces the latter by, say, applying a precomputed voltage profile in response to the event). 3) a synapse model that is given access to the soma of the presynapytic cell and a delay and then does its own thing (eg for a network of point neurons with complicated synapse models). It makes sense to use the V in a threshold sensor, but not expose the presynaptic machinery to this potential. I'm not really sure what to do here but it would be good to distinguish the two V's perhaps as V_local and V_remote and somehow make it hard to do silly things like take a synapse model defined to depend on V_local and attach it to the soma with a non-zero delay. Cheers, Robert -- Robert Cannon, A.nnotate.com, (Textensor Ltd - www.textensor.com) ro...@te... tel: +44 (0)131 2082026 fax: +44 (0)131 4644881 |
From: Padraig G. <p.g...@uc...> - 2009-04-08 12:48:01
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