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Re: [Nagios-devel] The nagios community wants to keep its open soul
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From: nap <nap...@gm...> - 2010-02-26 19:53:25
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On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Andreas Ericsson <ae...@op...> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:00 PM, anthony paradis <fun...@ho...> > wrote: > > > > I expect a professional response from you > > > > Is it just me who can picture Ethan giggling away at the keyboard while > he was writing that email? Personally, I thought it was hilarious :D > > But alright, I'll come in with a professional response here. > > Most software projects expect the users who want features in the core > code to develop those features themselves and submit patches that > can be discussed and polished to perfection. The Nagios community > works a bit differently. Users are crying out for new features, although > they're often not very specific about what those features are supposed > to be, and even more rarely users post patches to make that particular > feature happen. > > It's really quite simple. If you have a feature you want implemented, > you can > a) submit a patch to make it happen. > b) whine. > > If you're a positive person (like me), you'll try to make it happen first. > If that fails, you can ask for help with a message like "hey, I tried this > but can't make it work. Here's what I want to achieve and why I think > that's a really stellar idea. Is anyone else capable of making this fly?" > > With that attitude, it's really a breeze to get exactly what you want > from practically anybody. Demanding nameless features that you're > not sure what they would do is a surefire way of getting no response > what so ever. > > So let's have a look at what requests there are on Nagios. These are > from ideas.nagios.org, which I assume is a decent collection of ideas > that people share. I've only bothered with the top five or so, since it > already shows a very very clear pattern without going further than > that. > > * New gui. Lots of people want this. Well, that's something that can > easily be implemented outside the nagios core, and there's currently > at least two teams working on making that true. One is at op5 and > the other is the icinga team. > > * Clustering/redundancy/loadbalancing/failover stuff. A lot of > competent programmers (Nagios core devs included) all agree that > such a feature needn't reside inside the Nagios core itself, but would > be much better off written as a module. DNX, Merlin and other efforts > are under way and are nearing production quality or are already on > it. > > * New statusmap. Well, we at op5 have developed several already. > They're free for grabs, since we've made sure to publish all our git > repositories. You want to fly around in a 3d landscape in a java app? > It's there for the taking. You want something that works with google > maps and lets you draw whatever you want on a map? That too is > already there, contributed back to NagVis, which we decided to use > for that particular thing. You want something where hostgroups and > their parent relations are drawn? lo and behold, we have that too. > Download it and install it. If you can't figure out how to make it work, > that's a different issue that we can work with after you've tried and > failed. > > * Web frontend for configuration > Nacoma (the op5 written tool) has been opensource and totally > free for the past year or so. Go grab it. It works wonderfully for > our 400+ customers and we actively develop it. > > * SLA reporting tool > Again, it's up for grabs from the op5 git repositories. Just download > and install it and you'll have corporate quality reports. Again, we do > actively develop it. > > Besides the above ones, many of the suggestions on ideas.nagios.org > are already implemented or could easily be implemented by someone > who really cares about the feature requested. But people are lazy and > seem to be scared of ending up maintaining a software project, though > they have no hesitation asking someone else to do what they really > don't want to or can do. > > The shameful part are all the requests for things that already exists. > I can understand non-developers asking coders for features, but I > have a hard time respecting people who can't even be bothered to > google for something they claim they want, and then whine about > it when they don't get it. > > So if I resume the current situation, on one side we have a foss project leader that: *send "drama" jokes (that make no one really hilarious in fact) *between two personals attacks say that a community site cannot talk about what they want *still do not answer about the roadmap (yes, even with all tries to do not answer it, we still need an answer...) of the foss part *try to get all steps of "How to destroy your community" http://lwn.net/Articles/370157/ (steps 4, 5, 6, no more 9 but a great 10) And in the other side : you *always answer to the community, even for quite original proposals... *try to make all people work with each others *succeed at resolving all top 5 ideas of nagios *(even try to resolve the hidden first one by answering to this open letter) ... Is this a problem for you if I consider you as the current Nagios foss leader? Jean > -- > Andreas Ericsson and...@op... > OP5 AB www.op5.se > Tel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231 > > Considering the successes of the wars on alcohol, poverty, drugs and > terror, I think we should give some serious thought to declaring war > on peace. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev > _______________________________________________ > Nagios-devel mailing list > Nag...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nagios-devel > |