MSYS2 / Tickets / #177 Still issues upgrading MSYS2

Alexx83 - 2015-07-26

Seems you use VERY OLD installation of MSYS2 as we switch to filesystem package instead msys2-base very long time ago. You need replace all packages that pacman tell you. Msys2 is rolling release system, so we update packages very often.

Regards, Alexey.

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воскресенье, 26 июля 2015 г. в 14:38, Angelo Graziosi написал:

[tickets:#177] (http://sourceforge.net/p/msys2/tickets/177) Still issues upgrading MSYS2
Status: open
Milestone: 1.0
Created: Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:38 AM UTC by Angelo Graziosi
Last Updated: Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:38 AM UTC
Owner: nobody
These days strange things occur:
$ pacman -Syu :: Sincronizzazione dei database in corso... mingw32 189,8 KiB 440K/s 00:00 [#####################] 100% mingw32.sig 96,0 B 0,00B/s 00:00 [#####################] 100% mingw64 190,1 KiB 483K/s 00:00 [#####################] 100% mingw64.sig 96,0 B 0,00B/s 00:00 [#####################] 100% msys è aggiornato :: Aggiornamento del sistema in corso... attenzione: mingw-w64-x86_64-field3d: la versione installata (1.4.3-2) è più recente di quella presente in mingw64 (1.4.3-1) :: Vuoi sostituire msys2-base con msys/filesystem? [S/n]

Really, should I replace msys2-base with filesystem? what about mingw-w64-x86_64-field3d?
Notice that msys db was not update. Why then I didn't see it in previous update? I am confused...
I think you need an "announcement" mailing list, so that we can read about changes in MSYS2...
Any way, what should I do, now?
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- Angelo Graziosi - 2015-07-26
  
  NO, I don't have a too OLD installation.
  
  I did a full Windows re-installation on March 29, 2015. So MSYS2 came later.
  
  I remember when filesystem was added to MSYS2 and it was before my Windows re-installations.
  
  Before that update-core was added to MSYS2, I used a my script (remember? I suggested in a ticket to add a similar script..):
  
  $ cat update_core_MSYS2.sh #!/bin/bash ## The routine... i.e. the main... update() { local PACMAN=`which pacman 2> /dev/null` if [ "-${PACMAN}-" != "--" ]; then ## First: synchronize the database.. ${PACMAN} -Sy ## ..then, update... PACMAN+=" -S --needed" local core_pkgs=" filesystem msys2-runtime msys2-runtime-devel bash" core_pkgs+=" libreadline libiconv libarchive libgpgme libcurl pacman" core_pkgs+=" pacman-mirrors ncurses ncurses-devel libintl" ${PACMAN} ${core_pkgs} else echo "PACMAN command not found..." fi } ## Executing the main.. update
  
  As you can see, it used filesystem package, and the last time I modified the script was:
  
  $ ls -lrt ~
  totale 2056
  [...]
  -rwxr-xr-x 1 angelo None 559 2 apr 09.51 update_core_MSYS2.sh
  [...]
  
  Beside this, I update very frequently (at least, dayly) MSYS2, so I don't understand as I can have a too old installation...
  
  I guess, instead that all these issues are born with the recent SF fault and the mirrors change...
  
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Yaron Keren - 2015-07-26

I had used this upgrade script https://gist.github.com/m45t3r/92436e6d77497e556517
which essentially automates https://sourceforge.net/p/msys2/wiki/MSYS2%20installation/

If the two-stage update is still required with current MSYS2 maybe you'd like to add this script or something similar to MSYS2, maybe with its own "Upgrade MSYS2" icon on the desktop.

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- Alexx83 - 2015-07-26
  
  MSYS2 have similar script that called "update-core"
  
  Regards,
  Alexey
  
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  воскресенье, 26 июля 2015 г. в 17:25, Yaron Keren написал:
  
  I had used this upgrade script https://gist.github.com/m45t3r/92436e6d77497e556517
  which essentially automates https://sourceforge.net/p/msys2/wiki/MSYS2%20installation/ (https://sourceforge.net/p/msys2/wiki/MSYS2%20installation)
  If the two-stage update is still required with current MSYS2 maybe you'd like to add this script or something similar to MSYS2, maybe with its own "Upgrade MSYS2" icon on the desktop.
  [tickets:#177] (http://sourceforge.net/p/msys2/tickets/177) Still issues upgrading MSYS2
  Status: open
  Milestone: 1.0
  Created: Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:38 AM UTC by Angelo Graziosi
  Last Updated: Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:38 AM UTC
  Owner: nobody
  These days strange things occur:
  $ pacman -Syu :: Sincronizzazione dei database in corso... mingw32 189,8 KiB 440K/s 00:00 [#####################] 100% mingw32.sig 96,0 B 0,00B/s 00:00 [#####################] 100% mingw64 190,1 KiB 483K/s 00:00 [#####################] 100% mingw64.sig 96,0 B 0,00B/s 00:00 [#####################] 100% msys è aggiornato :: Aggiornamento del sistema in corso... attenzione: mingw-w64-x86_64-field3d: la versione installata (1.4.3-2) è più recente di quella presente in mingw64 (1.4.3-1) :: Vuoi sostituire msys2-base con msys/filesystem? [S/n]
  
  Really, should I replace msys2-base with filesystem? what about mingw-w64-x86_64-field3d?
  Notice that msys db was not update. Why then I didn't see it in previous update? I am confused...
  I think you need an "announcement" mailing list, so that we can read about changes in MSYS2...
  Any way, what should I do, now?
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Yaron Keren - 2015-07-26

Thanks, I did not know about update-core.

It's worth mentioning this excellent script in the installation instructions https://sourceforge.net/p/msys2/wiki/MSYS2%20installation/ which are the first hit when googling for "msys2 installation".

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- Alexx83 - 2015-07-26
  
  I'm update wiki. Also improve update-core script looking into your's one. New update-core script is available via pacman package upgrade.
  
  Regards,
  Alexey.
  
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  - Yaron Keren - 2015-07-26
    
    Thanks!
    
    2015-07-26 22:04 GMT+03:00 Alexx83 lexx83@users.sf.net:
    
    I'm update wiki. Also improve update-core script looking into your's
    one. New update-core script is available via pacman package upgrade.
    
    Regards,
    Alexey.
    
    [tickets:#177] http://sourceforge.net/p/msys2/tickets/177 Still issues
    upgrading MSYS2*
    
    Status: open
    Milestone: 1.0
    Created: Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:38 AM UTC by Angelo Graziosi
    Last Updated: Sun Jul 26, 2015 05:52 PM UTC
    Owner: nobody
    
    These days strange things occur:
    
    $ pacman -Syu
    :: Sincronizzazione dei database in corso...
    mingw32 189,8 KiB 440K/s 00:00 [#####################] 100%
    mingw32.sig 96,0 B 0,00B/s 00:00 [#####################] 100%
    mingw64 190,1 KiB 483K/s 00:00 [#####################] 100%
    mingw64.sig 96,0 B 0,00B/s 00:00 [#####################] 100%
    msys è aggiornato
    :: Aggiornamento del sistema in corso...
    attenzione: mingw-w64-x86_64-field3d: la versione installata (1.4.3-2) è più recente di quella presente in mingw64 (1.4.3-1)
    :: Vuoi sostituire msys2-base con msys/filesystem? [S/n]
    
    Really, should I replace msys2-base with filesystem? what about
    mingw-w64-x86_64-field3d?
    
    Notice that msys db was not update. Why then I didn't see it in previous
    update? I am confused...
    
    I think you need an "announcement" mailing list, so that we can read about
    changes in MSYS2...
    
    Any way, what should I do, now?
    
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Angelo Graziosi - 2015-07-26

I insist, something is wrong in current MSYS2!

I had installed emacs-git and now emacs-git disappeared from MSYS2:

$ pacman -Ss emacs mingw32/mingw-w64-i686-emacs 24.5-3 The extensible, customizable, self-documenting, real-time display editor (mingw-w64) mingw64/mingw-w64-x86_64-emacs 24.5-3 The extensible, customizable, self-documenting, real-time display editor (mingw-w64) $ pacman -Ss emacs-git EMPTY $ pacman -Qqe | grep emacs mingw-w64-x86_64-emacs-git

Maybe not all (mingw)packages have been rebuilt with GCC-5.2. I wonder if the transintion to GCC5 is another cause of issues..
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Alexx83 - 2015-07-26

We have discussion on IRC and decide to not build git versions of packages if stable is present in repo. Now if you want git package - you need build it yourself.

Regards,
Alexey.

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- Angelo Graziosi - 2015-07-26
  
  Sure?
  
  $ pacman -Ss vlc
  mingw32/mingw-w64-i686-vlc-git 3.0.0.61503.1d43e72-1
  A multi-platform MPEG, VCD/DVD, and DivX player
  mingw64/mingw-w64-x86_64-vlc-git 3.0.0.61503.1d43e72-1 [installato]
  A multi-platform MPEG, VCD/DVD, and DivX player
  
  $ pacman -Ss git | grep -c git
  101
  
  there are still git packages..
  
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Alexx83 - 2015-07-26

I told you that we not build git packages for those that HAVE STABLE VERSION IN REPO.
There are no "vlc" package, only "vlc-git". It will be removed from repo when vlc-3.0 was released.

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- Angelo Graziosi - 2015-07-26
  
  I am afraid to insist, but your statements do not seem always true.
  
  $ pacman -Qqe | grep cling mingw-w64-x86_64-cling-cern-git $ pacman -Ss cling EMPTY
  
  So, at least 'cling' disappeared completely from MSYS2. Being a package without stable version, as VLC, it had to remain. Right?
  
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  - Alexx83 - 2015-07-26
    
    Current mingw packages are builded in clean way for GCC-5.x.
    So if it not builded for GCC-5.x it not present in current mingw repository.
    
    There are still some packages that still not builded:
    https://github.com/Alexpux/MINGW-packages/blob/master/FAIL_LIST.md
    
    If you have time/wish you can try to fix some of them.
    
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    - Angelo Graziosi - 2015-07-26
      
      Maybe the transition GCC4 built packages ==> GCC5 built packages was taken too soon.. :-)
      
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Angelo Graziosi - 2015-07-26

OK, but if you remove those packages WITHOUT an announcement on the MSYS2 main page, this is confusing! Many git package I find installed were installed as dipendencies... ALL THIS is CONFUSING. You silently changed things and then say people has too old installation! Good, very good!

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Alexx83 - 2015-07-26

For those git packages that I move to stable I'm create pacman's entry for "replace" git with stable.
For example, early I'm build babl-git package. Now I'm build stable "babl" package and add entry in PKGBUILD that tell pacman to replace babl-git with babl. So in most cases all will work ok.

Yeah there are maybe several issues that we can solve. If you want than I can tell pacman to replace your emacs-git package with stable emacs if you prefer this.

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- Angelo Graziosi - 2015-07-26
  
  No, this would only increase the confusion. It would be better invite people to a clean re-installation given the change in MSYS2, and suggest people to build its own *-git package if they want/need them. Maybe this could be done in the wiki.
  
  Regarding Emacs, I only use the development version (they are at least seven years I do so..)
  
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