From: Jonathan N. <j.n...@ch...> - 2013-02-16 19:21:17
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Hello list, I wanted to let you know about some things that I've found. The pcmanfm file browser is accessible if I put the browser in list mode the Orca screen reader can red the files! So that is great! So now there are only two more issues. The first one is even though the file browser is accessible if I put something on the desktop it is still inaccessible. So the Orca screen reader can't read anything on the desktop. Then the last issue is the lxpanel. But I know with the 2.0 version the lxpanel is looking to be accessible. Please keep us up to date with the lxpanel. Thanks for all of your hard work! |
From: Jean-Philippe M. <men...@fr...> - 2013-02-16 20:36:38
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Hi, It seems to be a great new indeed. Do you think it could work with some dev release of lxde packages? I guess it'd needed to build them manually, but there are few packages in lxde. Wouldn't it be possible? Best regards, JPM On Saturday 16 Feb 2013 à 14:21:10 (-0500), Jonathan Nadeau wrote: > Hello list, > > I wanted to let you know about some things that I've found. The pcmanfm > file browser is accessible if I put the browser in list mode the Orca > screen reader can red the files! So that is great! So now there are only > two more issues. The first one is even though the file browser is > accessible if I put something on the desktop it is still inaccessible. > So the Orca screen reader can't read anything on the desktop. Then the > last issue is the lxpanel. But I know with the 2.0 version the lxpanel > is looking to be accessible. Please keep us up to date with the lxpanel. > Thanks for all of your hard work! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, > is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought > leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, > whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most > recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Lxde-list mailing list > Lxd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list |
From: Jonathan N. <j.n...@ch...> - 2013-02-16 20:55:40
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Well I was using the version of Ubuntu that isn't released yet. But the file manager works already on that release. On 02/16/2013 03:36 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > Hi, > > It seems to be a great new indeed. Do you think it could work with some dev > release of lxde packages? I guess it'd needed to build them manually, but there > are few packages in lxde. Wouldn't it be possible? > > Best regards, > > JPM > > On Saturday 16 Feb 2013 à 14:21:10 (-0500), Jonathan Nadeau wrote: >> Hello list, >> >> I wanted to let you know about some things that I've found. The pcmanfm >> file browser is accessible if I put the browser in list mode the Orca >> screen reader can red the files! So that is great! So now there are only >> two more issues. The first one is even though the file browser is >> accessible if I put something on the desktop it is still inaccessible. >> So the Orca screen reader can't read anything on the desktop. Then the >> last issue is the lxpanel. But I know with the 2.0 version the lxpanel >> is looking to be accessible. Please keep us up to date with the lxpanel. >> Thanks for all of your hard work! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, >> is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought >> leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, >> whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most >> recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Lxde-list mailing list >> Lxd...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list |
From: Jean-Philippe M. <men...@fr...> - 2013-02-16 21:14:53
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Hmm good. Well... how do things work? I guess that we need at-spi2, orca and basic packages of lxde? Does it work with at-spi2 and orca 3.6 or 3,7? Is everything automated on Ubuntu? Because Ubunty by default uses gnome or Unity if I remember correctly. Thanks for your precisions, Regards, JPM On Saturday 16 Feb 2013 à 15:55:29 (-0500), Jonathan Nadeau wrote: > Well I was using the version of Ubuntu that isn't released yet. But the > file manager works already on that release. > > > On 02/16/2013 03:36 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It seems to be a great new indeed. Do you think it could work with some dev > > release of lxde packages? I guess it'd needed to build them manually, but there > > are few packages in lxde. Wouldn't it be possible? > > > > Best regards, > > > > JPM > > > > On Saturday 16 Feb 2013 à 14:21:10 (-0500), Jonathan Nadeau wrote: > >> Hello list, > >> > >> I wanted to let you know about some things that I've found. The pcmanfm > >> file browser is accessible if I put the browser in list mode the Orca > >> screen reader can red the files! So that is great! So now there are only > >> two more issues. The first one is even though the file browser is > >> accessible if I put something on the desktop it is still inaccessible. > >> So the Orca screen reader can't read anything on the desktop. Then the > >> last issue is the lxpanel. But I know with the 2.0 version the lxpanel > >> is looking to be accessible. Please keep us up to date with the lxpanel. > >> Thanks for all of your hard work! > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, > >> is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought > >> leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, > >> whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most > >> recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Lxde-list mailing list > >> Lxd...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list |
From: Jonathan N. <j.n...@ch...> - 2013-02-16 21:17:17
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Yes it works with Orca and the menu and other packages are accessible. The only thing not accessible right now is the lxpanel. But I have everything else working with Orca. On 02/16/2013 04:14 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > Hmm good. Well... how do things work? I guess that we need at-spi2, orca > and basic packages of lxde? Does it work with at-spi2 and orca 3.6 or 3,7? > Is everything automated on Ubuntu? Because Ubunty by default uses gnome or > Unity if I remember correctly. > > Thanks for your precisions, > > Regards, > > JPM > > On Saturday 16 Feb 2013 à 15:55:29 (-0500), Jonathan Nadeau wrote: >> Well I was using the version of Ubuntu that isn't released yet. But the >> file manager works already on that release. >> >> >> On 02/16/2013 03:36 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> It seems to be a great new indeed. Do you think it could work with some dev >>> release of lxde packages? I guess it'd needed to build them manually, but there >>> are few packages in lxde. Wouldn't it be possible? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> JPM >>> >>> On Saturday 16 Feb 2013 à 14:21:10 (-0500), Jonathan Nadeau wrote: >>>> Hello list, >>>> >>>> I wanted to let you know about some things that I've found. The pcmanfm >>>> file browser is accessible if I put the browser in list mode the Orca >>>> screen reader can red the files! So that is great! So now there are only >>>> two more issues. The first one is even though the file browser is >>>> accessible if I put something on the desktop it is still inaccessible. >>>> So the Orca screen reader can't read anything on the desktop. Then the >>>> last issue is the lxpanel. But I know with the 2.0 version the lxpanel >>>> is looking to be accessible. Please keep us up to date with the lxpanel. >>>> Thanks for all of your hard work! >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, >>>> is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought >>>> leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, >>>> whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most >>>> recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lxde-list mailing list >>>> Lxd...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list |
From: Jean-Philippe M. <men...@fr...> - 2013-02-16 21:23:06
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Oh it's likely an excellent news! I'll test this as soon as possible. I'll try to build lxde manually (if I find a method). So far I only tested with a minimalist gnome and I had not yet success, but maybe with such a full environment, I'll have more success. If somoenoe has a method to build lxde it'd be easier (package order, options if needed, etc.). Sincerely, On Saturday 16 Feb 2013 à 16:17:10 (-0500), Jonathan Nadeau wrote: > Yes it works with Orca and the menu and other packages are accessible. > The only thing not accessible right now is the lxpanel. But I have > everything else working with Orca. > > > On 02/16/2013 04:14 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > > Hmm good. Well... how do things work? I guess that we need at-spi2, orca > > and basic packages of lxde? Does it work with at-spi2 and orca 3.6 or 3,7? > > Is everything automated on Ubuntu? Because Ubunty by default uses gnome or > > Unity if I remember correctly. > > > > Thanks for your precisions, > > > > Regards, > > > > JPM > > > > On Saturday 16 Feb 2013 à 15:55:29 (-0500), Jonathan Nadeau wrote: > >> Well I was using the version of Ubuntu that isn't released yet. But the > >> file manager works already on that release. > >> > >> > >> On 02/16/2013 03:36 PM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> It seems to be a great new indeed. Do you think it could work with some dev > >>> release of lxde packages? I guess it'd needed to build them manually, but there > >>> are few packages in lxde. Wouldn't it be possible? > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> JPM > >>> > >>> On Saturday 16 Feb 2013 à 14:21:10 (-0500), Jonathan Nadeau wrote: > >>>> Hello list, > >>>> > >>>> I wanted to let you know about some things that I've found. The pcmanfm > >>>> file browser is accessible if I put the browser in list mode the Orca > >>>> screen reader can red the files! So that is great! So now there are only > >>>> two more issues. The first one is even though the file browser is > >>>> accessible if I put something on the desktop it is still inaccessible. > >>>> So the Orca screen reader can't read anything on the desktop. Then the > >>>> last issue is the lxpanel. But I know with the 2.0 version the lxpanel > >>>> is looking to be accessible. Please keep us up to date with the lxpanel. > >>>> Thanks for all of your hard work! > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, > >>>> is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought > >>>> leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, > >>>> whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most > >>>> recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Lxde-list mailing list > >>>> Lxd...@li... > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list |
From: JM <me...@gm...> - 2013-02-16 21:47:45
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:22:45 +0100 Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <men...@fr...> wrote: > Oh it's likely an excellent news! I'll test this as soon as possible. I'll > try to build lxde manually (if I find a method). So far I only tested with > a minimalist gnome and I had not yet success, but maybe with such a full > environment, I'll have more success. If somoenoe has a method to build lxde > it'd be easier (package order, options if needed, etc.). > > Sincerely, Hello, What about trying Lubuntu/next version not yet released ? Regards, Mélodie |
From: Jonathan N. <j.n...@ch...> - 2013-02-16 22:42:53
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On 02/16/2013 04:28 PM, JM wrote: > On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:22:45 +0100 > Jean-Philippe MENGUAL <men...@fr...> wrote: > >> Oh it's likely an excellent news! I'll test this as soon as possible. I'll >> try to build lxde manually (if I find a method). So far I only tested with >> a minimalist gnome and I had not yet success, but maybe with such a full >> environment, I'll have more success. If somoenoe has a method to build lxde >> it'd be easier (package order, options if needed, etc.). >> >> Sincerely, > Hello, > > What about trying Lubuntu/next version not yet released ? Yes that is waht you should do. > > Regards, > Mélodie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, > is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought > leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, > whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most > recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Lxde-list mailing list > Lxd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list |
From: Thompson, D. <dth...@wo...> - 2013-02-20 20:12:44
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Hello everyone, I'd like to give a Jon a hand with improving accessibility for lxpanel. I'm unfamiliar with the LXDE codebase and so I would appreciate it if someone more experienced could point me in the right direction. I'm not quite sure where and how to start. Thanks! - Dave On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Jonathan Nadeau <j.n...@ch...>wrote: > Hello list, > > I wanted to let you know about some things that I've found. The pcmanfm > file browser is accessible if I put the browser in list mode the Orca > screen reader can red the files! So that is great! So now there are only > two more issues. The first one is even though the file browser is > accessible if I put something on the desktop it is still inaccessible. > So the Orca screen reader can't read anything on the desktop. Then the > last issue is the lxpanel. But I know with the 2.0 version the lxpanel > is looking to be accessible. Please keep us up to date with the lxpanel. > Thanks for all of your hard work! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, > is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly > thought > leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, > whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most > recent posts - join the conversation now. > http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Lxde-list mailing list > Lxd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list > |
From: Henry G. <hsg...@gm...> - 2013-02-21 01:29:26
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 03:12:33PM -0500, Thompson, David wrote: > Hello everyone, > I'd like to give a Jon a hand with improving accessibility for lxpanel. I'm > unfamiliar with the LXDE codebase and so I would appreciate it if someone > more experienced could point me in the right direction. I'm not quite sure > where and how to start. The LXDE components are very much independent of each other. For lxpanel, get the source with git by running the following command: git clone git://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxpanel The code there is very much organized like many other open source projects. Don't forget to also install all the build dependencies for lxpanel. On Ubuntu, I think the command is "apt-get build-dep lxpanel". I am not sure where to guide you concerning how to add accessibility, but if you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask. Henry |
From: David T. <dth...@wo...> - 2013-02-21 01:47:17
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On 02/20/2013 08:27 PM, Henry Gebhardt wrote: > The LXDE components are very much independent of each other. For > lxpanel, get the source with git by running the following command: > > git clone git://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxpanel > > The code there is very much organized like many other open source > projects. Don't forget to also install all the build dependencies for > lxpanel. On Ubuntu, I think the command is "apt-get build-dep lxpanel". > > I am not sure where to guide you concerning how to add accessibility, > but if you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask. > > > Henry Building it was easy enough minus a small hiccup configuring (needed the --enable-man flag). I ran the resulting executable but nothing shows up, but I think that's because I'm missing a configuration file. Once I have the panel showing up I'm going to use Orca to see where the trouble spots are. I've heard that the actual applications menu is accessible, just not the panel itself. I'll spend some time reading the source and come back here if I have questions. |
From: Henry G. <hsg...@gm...> - 2013-02-21 01:55:32
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 08:47:05PM -0500, David Thompson wrote: > Building it was easy enough minus a small hiccup configuring (needed the > --enable-man flag). That should be fixed someday. > I ran the resulting executable but nothing shows up, > but I think that's because I'm missing a configuration file. You probably want to start it using lxpanel --profile LXDE or similar. HTH, Henry |
From: David T. <dth...@wo...> - 2013-02-21 02:02:58
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On 02/20/2013 08:53 PM, Henry Gebhardt wrote: > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 08:47:05PM -0500, David Thompson wrote: >> Building it was easy enough minus a small hiccup configuring (needed the >> --enable-man flag). > That should be fixed someday. > >> I ran the resulting executable but nothing shows up, >> but I think that's because I'm missing a configuration file. > You probably want to start it using > > lxpanel --profile LXDE > > or similar. > > > HTH, > Henry I copied data/default to ~/.config/lxpanel and that did the trick. Now to start using Orca and reading some source code... tomorrow. I have to go to sleep. Thanks for the help so far, Henry. |
From: David T. <dth...@wo...> - 2013-02-22 01:48:37
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On 02/20/2013 08:53 PM, Henry Gebhardt wrote: > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 08:47:05PM -0500, David Thompson wrote: >> Building it was easy enough minus a small hiccup configuring (needed the >> --enable-man flag). > That should be fixed someday. > >> I ran the resulting executable but nothing shows up, >> but I think that's because I'm missing a configuration file. > You probably want to start it using > > lxpanel --profile LXDE > > or similar. > > > HTH, > Henry Should I be hacking on lxpanel or lxpanel2? I was able to get lxpanel working easily enough, but I'm getting build errors with lxpanel2. |
From: Henry G. <hsg...@gm...> - 2013-02-22 02:18:38
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 08:48:27PM -0500, David Thompson wrote: > Should I be hacking on lxpanel or lxpanel2? I was able to get lxpanel > working easily enough, but I'm getting build errors with lxpanel2. Good question. I am not up-to-date with lxpanel2 development. I am not aware that any distributions are considering lxpanel2 yet. If you want something stable, then lxpanel is the way to go. In the long run, however, lxpanel2 will take over. H |
From: David T. <dth...@wo...> - 2013-02-23 00:09:35
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On 02/21/2013 09:16 PM, Henry Gebhardt wrote: > Good question. I am not up-to-date with lxpanel2 development. I am not > aware that any distributions are considering lxpanel2 yet. If you want > something stable, then lxpanel is the way to go. In the long run, > however, lxpanel2 will take over. > > > H lxpanel2's ./configure ran just fine, but make fails: /usr/bin/ld: lxpanel2-na-tray-child.o: undefined reference to symbol 'XSendEvent' /usr/bin/ld: note: 'XSendEvent' is defined in DSO /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 so try adding it to the linker command line /usr/lib/libX11.so.6: could not read symbols: Invalid operation collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status Has anyone had this problem? |
From: David T. <dth...@wo...> - 2013-02-23 15:52:41
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On 02/20/2013 08:27 PM, Henry Gebhardt wrote: > The LXDE components are very much independent of each other. For > lxpanel, get the source with git by running the following command: git > clone git://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxpanel The code > there is very much organized like many other open source projects. > Don't forget to also install all the build dependencies for lxpanel. > On Ubuntu, I think the command is "apt-get build-dep lxpanel". I am > not sure where to guide you concerning how to add accessibility, but > if you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask. Henry I have verified that there is indeed an issue using lxpanel with Orca, but I can't figure out how to take the first steps in solving it. I'm trying to get Orca to simply read the window title of the panel, like it does with all of my other windows, but it won't even do that. I've been working in panel.c trying to disable things to see if I can create a simple enough window that Orca can read and then proceed to re-enable things from there but I haven't had any luck yet. Can anyone weigh in on this? Orca at the very least should be reading the window title without too much effort. |
From: Henry G. <hsg...@gm...> - 2013-02-24 01:28:18
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On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:52:29AM -0500, David Thompson wrote: > I have verified that there is indeed an issue using lxpanel with Orca, > but I can't figure out how to take the first steps in solving it. I'm > trying to get Orca to simply read the window title of the panel, like it > does with all of my other windows, but it won't even do that. > > I've been working in panel.c trying to disable things to see if I can > create a simple enough window that Orca can read and then proceed to > re-enable things from there but I haven't had any luck yet. > > Can anyone weigh in on this? Orca at the very least should be reading > the window title without too much effort. lxpanel does not have a window like other applications. I don't think it sets a window title that is hidden. Sorry that I can't be of more help at the moment. Henry |