From: Chris W. <chr...@ap...> - 2010-09-18 01:40:24
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Some thoughts from a non-developer - please forgive any mistakes :-). About networking on recent Linux distros with NetworkManager and nm-applet: - It works! I used to have a lot of trouble with networking, but it seems to work and connect extremely well now - sometimes even connecting where someone else with a Win or Mac machine has trouble. I assume this is due to a better NetworkManager? - nm-applet uses a lot more RAM than NetworkManager itself. (It's quite easy to use though.) So, I was thinking about LXNM, which would probably take a lot of work to work as well as NetworkManager. Would it be more useful in the medium term to develop a lighter interface to NetworkManager, to replace nm-applet? That might also be handy for people using certain other window managers, or using Openbox without a panel. If it's a non sys-tray app, but which minimizes to systray, that could be usable but very flexible. NetworkManager now has nmcli, a command line interface (though it seems very new - it's in Fedora 13 but doesn't seem to be in Debian Squeeze yet). I would guess that that makes developing an alternative nm interface much easier. Just a thought :-). -- Chris Watkins Appropedia.org - Sharing knowledge to build rich, sustainable lives. blogs.appropedia.org community.livejournal.com/appropedia identi.ca/appropedia twitter.com/appropedia |
From: PCMan <pcm...@gm...> - 2010-09-18 04:42:12
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Why not just use nm-applet? It works very well. Creating yet another nm frontend is very complicated. Much complicated then it looks like. IMO, It doesn't worth the effort and it won't provide additional benefit. We will even loss integration with gnome-keyring so the usability is actually worse. For me, there is no plan to do this and since Fred no longer maintains lxnm, it's considered obsolete now. Of course this doesn't stop anyone from trying to write yet another nm frontend. There are already two IIRC. One is for kde and another is in gtk but it's not in active development. On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Chris Watkins <chr...@ap...> wrote: > Some thoughts from a non-developer - please forgive any mistakes :-). > > About networking on recent Linux distros with NetworkManager and nm-applet: > > It works! I used to have a lot of trouble with networking, but it seems to > work and connect extremely well now - sometimes even connecting where > someone else with a Win or Mac machine has trouble. I assume this is due to > a better NetworkManager? > nm-applet uses a lot more RAM than NetworkManager itself. (It's quite easy > to use though.) > > So, I was thinking about LXNM, which would probably take a lot of work to > work as well as NetworkManager. Would it be more useful in the medium term > to develop a lighter interface to NetworkManager, to replace nm-applet? That > might also be handy for people using certain other window managers, or using > Openbox without a panel. If it's a non sys-tray app, but which minimizes to > systray, that could be usable but very flexible. > > NetworkManager now has nmcli, a command line interface (though it seems very > new - it's in Fedora 13 but doesn't seem to be in Debian Squeeze yet). I > would guess that that makes developing an alternative nm interface much > easier. > > Just a thought :-). > > -- > Chris Watkins > > Appropedia.org - Sharing knowledge to build rich, sustainable lives. > > blogs.appropedia.org > community.livejournal.com/appropedia > identi.ca/appropedia > twitter.com/appropedia > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances > and start using them to simplify application deployment and > accelerate your shift to cloud computing. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Lxde-list mailing list > Lxd...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list > > |
From: Chris W. <chr...@ap...> - 2010-09-18 05:34:16
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On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:42, PCMan <pcm...@gm...> wrote: > Why not just use nm-applet? It works very well. It does but I know there was lxnm, and then I noticed that nm-applet was a relatively big part of the RAM for networking. I thought it might be a better idea than working on LXNM, but since that's stopped, it's probably not relevant. Also it requires a compatible panel, but that's not a problem for LXDE. Creating yet another > nm frontend is very complicated. Much complicated then it looks like. > IMO, It doesn't worth the effort and it won't provide additional > benefit. We will even loss integration with gnome-keyring so the > usability is actually worse. For me, there is no plan to do this and > since Fred no longer maintains lxnm, Ok, I'll add that info to the wiki. > it's considered obsolete now. > Of course this doesn't stop anyone from trying to write yet another nm > frontend. There are already two IIRC. One is for kde and another is in > gtk but it's not in active development. > Thanks for the info. I guess if someone from a different light wm project wants one, they can do it. I'm guessing it would be useful for icewm, since setting up networking is difficult in that wm, and nm-applet doesn't work there. Cheers, Chris > > On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Chris Watkins > <chr...@ap...> wrote: > > Some thoughts from a non-developer - please forgive any mistakes :-). > > > > About networking on recent Linux distros with NetworkManager and > nm-applet: > > > > It works! I used to have a lot of trouble with networking, but it seems > to > > work and connect extremely well now - sometimes even connecting where > > someone else with a Win or Mac machine has trouble. I assume this is due > to > > a better NetworkManager? > > nm-applet uses a lot more RAM than NetworkManager itself. (It's quite > easy > > to use though.) > > > > So, I was thinking about LXNM, which would probably take a lot of work to > > work as well as NetworkManager. Would it be more useful in the medium > term > > to develop a lighter interface to NetworkManager, to replace nm-applet? > That > > might also be handy for people using certain other window managers, or > using > > Openbox without a panel. If it's a non sys-tray app, but which minimizes > to > > systray, that could be usable but very flexible. > > > > NetworkManager now has nmcli, a command line interface (though it seems > very > > new - it's in Fedora 13 but doesn't seem to be in Debian Squeeze yet). I > > would guess that that makes developing an alternative nm interface much > > easier. > > > > Just a thought :-). > > > > -- > > Chris Watkins > > > > Appropedia.org - Sharing knowledge to build rich, sustainable lives. > > > > blogs.appropedia.org > > community.livejournal.com/appropedia > > identi.ca/appropedia > > twitter.com/appropedia > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances > > and start using them to simplify application deployment and > > accelerate your shift to cloud computing. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > Lxde-list mailing list > > Lxd...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list > > > > > -- Chris Watkins Appropedia.org - Sharing knowledge to build rich, sustainable lives. blogs.appropedia.org community.livejournal.com/appropedia identi.ca/appropedia twitter.com/appropedia |