Re: [limesurvey-developers] Lime Survey 2.0
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From: Carsten S. <car...@gm...> - 2007-09-08 21:04:26
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Hello Michael, I updated the SQL file and added the schema image too. It should be in connection with the Word-document alot easier now to understand. I am sorry that there is no Mac version of this editor. :-( Previously w used MySQL WorkBench to create the db schema but MySQL WorkBench is currently so bug-infested that it is not usable - that is why we had to switch to DBDesigner 4. MySQL promised a new and completely fixed version for autumn. As soon as it is available I will switch over to that new version. I think it will be available for Mac too (as the other MySQL GUI tools are). Btw, I added you as a developer to the project on sf.net. You should be able to commit things now. Besides the mailing list or the forums it would be great if you could drop into the IRC channel sometimes. The channel is #limesurvey on freenode.net. While the mailing list is a great way to keep a history and reach everyone, the channel is ideal for direct communication and get know to the other team members. You can also reach me directly on ICQ 1588540, MSN ca...@gm... or Skype carsten.schmitz.hh . If you have any questions do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you very much! Macasek, Michael A. wrote: > Carsten, > > I have signed up at sf.net and my username is macasek. > > I was looking at the limesurvey20 chuck in svn and I noticed that the > database schema described in the xml file and the one in the sql file > are not the same. Which of the 2 represent the 'current' thinking? I am > running OSX and as such I cannot use the DBDesigner tool that was used > to generate the schema, do you know if the DBDesigner files are > compatible with other design software? > > I cannot argue with the availability of PHP with ISPs over Ruby. :) > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: lim...@li... > [mailto:lim...@li...] On Behalf > Of Carsten Schmitz > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:35 PM > To: lim...@li... > Subject: Re: [limesurvey-developers] Lime Survey 2.0 > > Hello Michael, > > welcome to developers mailing list! > I think we will definitely go for CakePHP because of your mentioned > advantages. Although I see Rubo on Rails as a very sophisticated > language it would definately limit the user base - only very few users > so far have the necessary hosting ressource available to host Ruby. On > the other hand PHP is available with every hosting provider.... so I > think CakePHP tried to use the best from both worlds ;). Definitely it > has its limitations here and there but I think it provides a good > middle > way! > > Btw... did you register with sf.net? If so please let me know your > sf.net username so I can give you according access to the subversion > repository. Thank you! > > Best regards > > Carsten > > > Macasek, Michael A. wrote: > >> Gustavo, >> >> Thanks for the response!! >> >> Just a few quick comments on Ruby on Rails and CakePHP. Ruby on Rails >> > > >> (RoR) (http://www.rubyonrails.org/) is a framework that runs on top >> > of > >> Ruby (http://www.ruby-lang.org/). Ruby is written in C and the setup >> for Ruby/RoR is about as easy a PHP. In fact the RoR framework can be >> > > >> bundled with your applications so the user only needs to install >> > Ruby. > >> RoR is what is known as an ORM (Object Relation Mapper) which >> > utilizes > >> the MVC (Model View Controller) development style. Basically you >> provide it with a pointer to a database, some basic model definitions >> > > >> using the RoR naming conventions and it handles the rest. The whole >> idea behind RoR is to greatly simplify development time. I have used >> it before and I think it is something to check out. >> >> If the desire it to stick with PHP that is fine to, just wanted to >> point out RoR. CakePHP is essentially a PHP clone of RoR although it >> is not 100% RoR as it is missing several key features but it shares >> the same philosophy and goals. I have not used CakePHP on any >> applications but from the documentation I have reviewed there is no >> setup required for the end user as it is all shipped as part of the >> application that uses it. Again I just wanted to point out CakePHP >> > and > >> if the desire it to stick with PHP I would recommend checking it out >> as it will make your lives much easier. :) >> >> Michael >> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >> *From:* Gustavo San Roman [mailto:leo...@ya...] >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 08, 2007 7:33 AM >> *To:* lim...@li...; Macasek, >> > Michael A. > >> *Subject:* RE: [limesurvey-developers] Lime Survey 2.0 >> >> Hi Michael, >> >> We are always happy to have new contributors! At this time >> we're working mostly in fixing bugs of the current release, in >> > the > >> 1.6 release, and starting the version 2.0. You can see in the >> subversion repository that there is a 2.0 branch, there are some >> documents, database desing, etc. There is nothing definitive and >> we are always looking for new ideas to improve this engine. >> >> At this time we continue (at least I didn't heard anyone >> saying the opposite) thinking to continue with PHP, and we want >> > to > >> use a framework, we checked (rapidly) some of them and we will >> make some trys with Cakephp because we wanted an intallaler that >> just requieres uncompress a zip file, we don't want the user have >> to install anything special if we can avoid that (many of >> LimeSurvey users are not technical and use hosting services). If >> you know about any other framework please tell us about and If >> you can check it even better! >> >> Personally, I don,t know Ruby, I read somethings, and don't >> know if the other dev team members know that tool and the >> > language > >> in which it was developped (I think Python), for one side I think >> it would be great knowing another language, but for another it >> will make a longer learning curbe. For what I saw, there are some >> complex things done in LS with PHP, so I personally prefer >> > keeping > >> things in PHP with a framework that could be very well Cake. >> >> I you can, join us to fix bugs of the actual version, get >> > done > >> the 1.6 and start with 2.0. You can see in the BugTracker we have >> a lot of request for features, many of them we want to implement >> for 1.6, and others will have to wait for 2.0. >> >> Thank you for being interested! >> Hope see you soon. >> >> Gustavo >> >> --- >> Gustavo San Roman >> leochaton-limesurvey >> <mailto:leo...@ya...>@yahoo.com >> <mailto:leo...@ya...> >> >> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >> *From:* lim...@li... >> [mailto:lim...@li...] *On >> Behalf Of *Macasek, Michael A. >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 08, 2007 0:25 >> *To:* lim...@li... >> *Subject:* [limesurvey-developers] Lime Survey 2.0 >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I wanted to write a quick email to this developers list to >> introduce myself and express my interest in contributing the Lime >> Survey 2.0. I have spent some time reviewing the materials >> available at your site and your code base and I believe that I >> have much to offer in the way of my skills and experience. The >> most pertinent of which is my experience developing web based >> intelligent tutoring systems which have much in common with >> > survey > >> engines. >> >> I would like to find out more information about your plans for >> > the > >> 2.0 rewrite and I would like to share my ideas with you. Just a >> quick question, is the intention to continue developing in PHP? >> > If > >> so have you considered using CakePHP (http://www.cakephp.org/)? >> > If > >> not or if you are open to alternatives have you considered >> investigating Ruby on Rails? >> >> Anyway, as I mentioned I just wanted to quickly introduce myself; >> I look forward to hearing back from the group and our future >> collaborations. >> >> Michael A. Macasek >> >> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. 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