Re[2]: [Kshowmail-user] killfile

[Stephan G. <gi...@gm...>]

Hi all, 
well, obviously I'm all for it, too! :)

Aproaching it from a logical point of view: The user must know what he
is doing. He should be warned about the consequences, but it should be
possible. 
And yes, there is a lot of mail, I don't want to even see. I would send
you my gmx-exclude-list ("killfile"). It looks like gmx's addresses
database has been cracked ultimately and my list has virtually exploded. 
Would you like to even see mail from
"%adultsex.com, %farmsex.com, pet...@ex... etc. pp.? I don't at
all.

Now, here's a pragmatic point of view, and later I'll propose a
compromise: 
I know a lot of you guys use GMX's service. They have a similar tool
(deleting mails right away, without any further notice), and by now, I
think, they have 2 or 3 million users - so it really can't be that bad...

And here's the proposition for the compromise: 
When the mail-list has been renovated (and the unwanted mail has been
deleted right away, without warning), there appears a dialogue-box,
saying sth. along
"you have xyz new mails, the following mails have been deleted because
they matched at least one criteria you set in the "unwanted mail"
option": 
<short list with senders' addresses and/or subjects>
[OK]

That would also have the great advantage to show (prove) the
effectiveness of kshowmail (that it is actually doing "work" for the
user). If someone does not even want to read this information (e.g.
because he would be offended by the addresses/subject lines), he should
be able to turn even the notice feature off. 
However, leaving the notice feature turned on, if he sees that an email
>from "aun...@ex..." has been deleted accidently, because he set
up his killfile wrongly, he at least knows about it, can correct the
criteria and mail aunt lisa that he lost her mail and ask her to please
send it again. 

Once again, in my opinion this would be an absolute "killer feature" ;-)
for kshowmail. EVERY professional user of the internet has a spam
problem (well almost...) thus EVERY professional user of the internet
and of Linux will use kshowmail! :) (well, almost...;-)

Ah, to go into technical detail, GMX defines it like this (maybe it's
useful): 
na...@do... deletes all mail from this address
%@domain.com deletes all mail from this domain
%domain.com deletes all mail from this domain and all subdomains

Obviously a lot more criteria can be made up (have fun, Eggert ;-) but I
don't know how usefull they would be. For example, if you set up, that
all mail containing "sex" in the subject line will be deleted, also your
best friends email "had great sex last night" will be gone and you don't
know what a great story you might miss... So generally the
subject line criteria does not seem like a good idea to me.

I think, however, that it would be very usefull to have a criteria
"address contains anywhere". For example, one could set up that all mail
will be deleted that has in the domainname "sex", "adult", "rebates",
"save" etc. pp. 

So I, again, vote for it, too. 

What do you think?
Ciao, 
Stephan


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On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:53:34 +0100
Thomas Watz <tw...@gm...> wrote:

> On Thursday, 14. February 2002 18:44, Ehmke Eggert ICN WN CC NA O 14 
> wrote:
> > - delete that mail immediatly. I do not like that. If the filter
> > was wrong, you have no chance to get that mail back.
> > - Highlight that mail in the list view (what about a dead man's
> > scull !). You can still look into the mail and decide what to do.
> > You can also deselect them, and select others that did not match
> > some filter (as now). When you press on delete, all selected
> > messages will be deleted. - in a next step, we could have automated
> > actions making use of user commands.
> >
> > I would start with the second option. I look forward to hear your
> > feedback !
> 
> Hello,
> this is a very good idea and could be very interesting for people 
> with a few mailing lists and/or a spam problem. This would increase 
> kshowmails utility very much.
> IMHO deleting mails immediatly is very useful because of spammers. 
> E.g. all mails with an unreadable code (e.g. chinese) could be 
> deleted immediatly -> spam. Or a special persons mail from a ML, why 
> not. 
> It is up to the user of a tool to decide for himself to take the risk 
> of deleting mails automatically. Nobody has to use it, but you could 
> give the chance to the user. I vote for it :-)
> 
> Perhaps it would not be a bad idea to give a lot of warnings when 
> activating such a rule ;-), and perhaps it would not be bad to 
> implement a "highlight mode" which let you try this rule before you 
> activate it.
> 
> So, again:  I vote for it.
> 
> -- 
> - thomas
> http://www.froogy.de
> 
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