From: Pierluigi Q. <pie...@un...> - 2014-08-31 19:30:26
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Dear Bob, Would it be opportune and sufficient an intervention by someone like me, who have not so great programming skills? I could stress the importance of JMol/JSMol even for simple projects devoted to education and knowledge spreading in the chemisty and biology fields, not much, probably... ...but if you think that the users can play a role, it would be a pleasure to be of help. Please let me know and I will try to send a message. Bye, Pierluigi Quagliotto 2014-08-31 13:02 GMT+02:00 Jaime Prilusky <jai...@we...>: > Bob, > > Can you please provide a template letter? > > Jaim > > On Aug 31, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Robert Hanson <ha...@st...> wrote: > > Folks, I would appreciate some letter-writing support in relation to > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014JulSep/0084.html > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014JulSep/0377.html > > I don't know if you can respond directly to that list or not. I think you > can. Please, if you do, be polite -- just share the importance of JSmol. > Ask them to remove the recommendation to browser developers to "experiment" > with breaking all our pages. > > The executive summary is that if this recommendation is taken: > > <quote src=http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/> > Developers must not pass false for the async argument when the JavaScript > global environment > <http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastructure.html#javascript-global-environment> > is a document environment > <http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/webappapis.html#document-environment> > as it has detrimental effects to the end user's experience. User agents are > strongly encouraged to warn about such usage in developer tools and may > experiment with throwing <http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-throw> an " > InvalidAccessError <http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#invalidaccesserror>" > exception when it occurs so the feature can eventually be removed from the > platform. > </quote> > > All, and I mean ALL current JSmol implementations will stop working > instantly. > > I'm not sure the writers of that understand the implications for science > and science education. Some word from others in prominent positions might > help. > > I would prefer they not just hear from me. Don't over-do it, just help > them see what such "experimentation" would do to us. > > That said, I am making good progress making FUTURE JSmol implementations > totally asynchronous. I'm actually very close. I have a test version that > loads everything asynchronously other than shapes, and it almost works. > (Famous last words!) > > But current pages using Jmol.getPropertyAsArray() or Jmol.evaluateVar() > will absolutely be broken and will need some rewriting *even if I do get > a totally asynchronous version of JSmol running. *Because those are > inherently synchronous methods, and at least their first use requires an > asynchronous process. > > I do have some ways around that. Basically you can effect (asynchronous) > module loading in Jmol (the to-be asynchronous part) by issuing calls to > Clazz._4Name(). For instance: > > Clazz._4Name("JV.PropertyManager") > > just after applet creation will load the code that will later be used > for Jmol.getPropertyAsArray() or Jmol.evaluateVar() > > But obviously this will take updating of current web pages. > > Bob > > > -- > Robert M. Hanson > Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry > Chair, Department of Chemistry > St. Olaf College > Northfield, MN > http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr > > > If nature does not answer first what we want, > it is better to take what answer we get. > > -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Slashdot TV. > Video for Nerds. Stuff that matters. > http://tv.slashdot.org/_______________________________________________ > Jmol-users mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Slashdot TV. > Video for Nerds. Stuff that matters. > http://tv.slashdot.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-users mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users > > |