Re: [Hecl-devel] back from mwc
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From: Martin M. <DO...@gm...> - 2009-03-13 14:49:28
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Hi Mario, Thanks for your answer. > No doubt - imagine just this only you could have a nice looking face > application that will download Hecl scripts that are all individual (vertical) > applications each of them. You could have your own widget engine as they > call it these days. And it's still all Hecl! > Yes exactly that's it, i like it and i do it :) > >Yes, maybe we could provide some nice app, maybe by using Prosciutto > project ;). > > hahah alright I have to get myself going on that - if only I had enough > time! > Sounds great ! Have you already decided what kind of hecl widgets you want to use in Prosciutto? I mean is mwt OK for you? I will need little bit time to get it! Especially in case of the build process but I already made some test and is getting better and better :). > Exactly, there are several ways you could enter into something. One way is > to hear about it, but the only way you would look into it is either you > have a matching need right at the time you hear about it, or you think what > you have just heard is so cool and interesting that you decide you'd give it > a look. If you're busy, like most programmers are, you could maybe take a > peek and "leave it for later". Just a thought: I'm doing some Django > programming right now for a university project. I first ran into Django like a > year and a half ago, and thought it was cool, but never had a chance to > actually do something with it until now. Of course Django has a huge community > and is growing a lot and it helps that Python itself has grown a lot as > well; the whole point is that getting people to use something is not just a > matter of how useful it is but also how visible and how easy it is to get on > going with it. > > >On the another hand, whats about the whole hype around JavaFX ??? > >The reasons Sun gaves for javafx were partially the same like what David > say about hecl. > >So it's seems that another people have the same needs and want have > something really smart and easy like hecl. > > That's right, many people are making efforts in order to ease some of the > pains of programming. To be honest, and even if I don't really know a lot > about it, I smell JavaFX is rather a political move. Sun launched JavaFX and > Microsoft launched Silverlight. All technical details set apart, the aim > of both is to help developers make great client/server applications with > seemingly no efforts or at least less efforts for things that are commonly > used. Whatever it is, I can only remember one thing: Sun already was supposed > to bring the "write once run everywhere" concept to reality with Java > itself, but it wasn't possible. I'm not saying it's not possible now, but it's > simply not convenient. There will always be new hardware features that will > be only accessible through new special APIs that not all devices will > support, and as such every handset maker will launch its own special API so > developers can make use of these new hardware features. Consider the > Nokia UI Api itself, or the implementations of JSR that are slightly > different from one handset to the other. Just think of the iPhone. > JavaFX and Silverlight are really good news, but the capabilites and the > reach of each technology will be determined IMHO by visibility, as in how > many handsets will I be able to address with one single technology? Today > it's ceratinly Java, but any compelling application is still vertical and > accesses the native API (like in Symbian, or the iPhone, or .NET CF in windows > mobile based phones). For example a good HTC windows mobile based phone > practically opens all its capabilities through .NET CF, but let's say you want > to access the camera from Java, and you can't ;) Of course Microsoft could > have implemented it, but... they want us developers to move on to .NET > instead of java, etc. > Anyway it's a long discussion, isn't it :) Yes it's definitely long discussion and you are probably right in case of sun & Co.. We could spend lot of time to discussing this whole topics but I thing we should save time and use it for more important things like for example hecl :). And, it is not really important how people comes to a language, main point is they comes! JavaFx was just an exapmle for a development move. And my question about the MWC and scripting languages was more about soumthing I found last weekend in internet. It's called nemo scripting language from "http://www.everypoint.com/". Even though the syntax is little bit crazy the whole project is promising. Especially something so-called Nemo Cloud Services. Have a look on it if you have time! BR, Martin -- Nur bis 16.03.! DSL-Komplettanschluss inkl. WLAN-Modem für nur 17,95 ¿/mtl. + 1 Monat gratis!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a |