Re: [Hecl-devel] back from mwc

[Mario Z. <mar...@ya...>]

Hi Jai

Heclbuilder pretty much does the work; would you suggest building a downloadable plugin for Eclipse that will do the same as heclbuilder? Sounds cool!




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From: Jai <ja...@gm...>
To: Wolfgang S. Kechel <wol...@da...>
Cc: Mario Zorz <mar...@ya...>; hec...@li...
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 9:17:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Hecl-devel] back from mwc

Hi Everyone,

I liked what Wolfgang said about providing a development environment for Hecl on the desktop to build apps for mobile devices.

I think due to the fact that Eclipse and Netbeans are two widely available development environments maybe we should build the Hecl environment as plugins for those.

I have looked at creating plugins for Netbeans before and it is not with it's problems but it is easily doable. I think Eclipse will also be the same.

As you said Wolfgang, scripting to programming Java is much advantageous in many instances and a Hecl runtime will definitely allow us Hecl fans to explore a Hecl only solution (maybe).

Regards,


On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Wolfgang S. Kechel <wol...@da...> wrote:

Hi guyes,

as you might know I have done some work with Hecl and I also used
j2mepolish (or tried to do so). My gola at that time was to get a hecl
runtime for mobile phones with j2mepolish, but some preprocessor
incompatibilities made me finally omit to use j2mepolish depiste it is
quite useful for some devices. Nevertheless a hecl runtime engine for
mobile phones should hide device specifics, but when building a vertical
app, j2mepolish is quite attractive since it yields small tailored
executables and a Hecl based scripted approach is developed faster but
consumes more resources on mobile devices.
For me Hecl was the right solution and finally I avoided j2mepolish for
the apps I build. I favor the scripting approach over Java programming,
so I guess the most important thing is to convince other developers that
scripting is a good solution for their problems. From my point of view
this could be simplified by providing an application development
ennvironment for Hecl on the desktop to build apps for mobile devices.

Regards
wolfgang


Mario Zorz wrote:
> Hi Martin!
>
> >You write about Barcelona and that you met lot of interesting people
> there and spoke a lot about the whole mobile development.
> >Did you mention hecl in your conversation? What does the people thing
> about?
> >Are there also anther interpreter languages for mobile phone, like
> hecl, the people are working?
>
> Well actually the closest thing I've run across when at the MWC was
> J2ME Polish. Also for what I have been talking with other developers
> (i.e. the other Forum Nokia CAI finalists and some people at WIPJam),
> they don't do a lot of scripting but rather vertical applications. I
> think it's the same as per what happens with Prosciutto, in the sense
> people have an idea of what they want to achieve (like, "I want to
> develop a Tetris game", or "a salesforce automation tool"), and they
> spend some time figuring out which it the best way to go around it.
> Most of them end thinking that pure java plus some helper tool like
> Polish would do OK.
>
> So I think in order for regular programmers (with regular real world
> problems to solve) to understand what's the advantages about mobile
> scripting and Hecl and basically what is it good for or how to
> differentiate, is to make some good examples where it's definitely
> better to use scripting rather than writing pure java vertical
> applications.
>
> If you think of it, Hecl is being communicated to the world as "the
> mobile scripting language", I think this leads to programmers to first
> identify the need of a mobile scripting language and only then they
> would find out about Hecl. Just to rephrase: programmers first need to
> come up with the idea of "Hey, what I need to solve my vertical need
> is a mobile scripting language", and then they would go googling for
> "mobile scripting language" and come up with Hecl. Sort of that thing
> is what actually happened to me when I thought of extending the
> functionality in Prosciutto to whatever the user would like to define:
> I needed a mobile scripting language so scripts could  be downloaded
> OTA and went Google for it and found Hecl :)
>
> Cheers,
> Mario

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