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From: <wim...@ch...> - 2001-07-30 04:31:27
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[13:17] Nick change: wtay-snooker -> wtay [13:17] <wtay> yo [13:19] <steveb> yo [13:23] <wtay> steveb: has a chance to think about it? [13:27] <steveb> a bit - can't see anything wrong with what you described (at least nothing that couldn't be hidden behind the UI) [13:29] <wtay> good [13:32] <steveb> have you got a dir structure worth committing? i have some stuff i want to add to it [13:33] <wtay> steveb: I have a gln/ test/ docs/random dir [13:33] <wtay> s/gln/gnl [13:33] <steveb> that'll do [13:34] <wtay> ok, let's fo an initial import of that [13:34] <wtay> s/fo/do [13:36] <wtay> steveb: what vendor start should we take? [13:36] <steveb> er, gnonlin? [13:38] <wtay> I think initial 1.0 is the commong thing to do.. [13:39] <wtay> let's see what happens... [13:39] <wtay> hmm [13:39] <wtay> tag must start with a letter [13:39] <wtay> HEAD then.. [13:39] <steveb> ok [13:40] <wtay> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gnonlin/gnonlin/ [13:41] <wtay> yay! [13:42] <steveb> cool, got it [13:42] <wtay> we should focus on docs/random/design for now [13:43] <steveb> ok :) [13:43] <wtay> and test/* for experiments with a possible API [13:44] <steveb> i have some dynamic params stuff i want to put in here which will be basically unrelated to this [13:45] <wtay> ok [13:45] <wtay> I introduced a GnlOperation too [13:47] <steveb> so composition is what you were calling a track before [13:47] <wtay> the operation contains a pipeline with effects that will be applied to N layers [13:47] <wtay> layer == track [13:48] <wtay> I've been reading some more about DES. I think it has a pretty good design. I only changed added the operation to it [13:48] <Uraeus> hi dudes [13:48] <wtay> and remaned track to layer [13:48] <wtay> hi Uraeus [13:48] <wtay> steveb: but I understand why they call it a track now [13:49] <wtay> steveb: they use the layer concept implicitly [13:49] <steveb> what is DES? [13:50] <wtay> steveb: it's a must read: DirectShow Editing Services.. lemme find the url [13:50] <steveb> ok [13:50] <wtay> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dshow/htm/directshoweditingservices.asp [13:51] <wtay> steveb: they also use the group concept, which could solve the problem I was thinking about too [13:51] <wtay> but they do make the distinction between audio/video groups which is bad IMO [13:55] Jacmet (ja...@98...) joined #gstreamer. [13:55] <Jacmet> hi [13:55] <wtay> hi [13:55] <Jacmet> gstreamer seams really cool ;) [13:55] <wtay> it is :) [13:56] <Jacmet> but I did had a few problems with the helloworld example in the documentation, because apparently some things changed in 0.2.1 - I just noticed the cvs version contains the changes, but perhaps you better update the version corresponding to the latest release [13:57] <wtay> Jacmet: yup [13:57] <Jacmet> audiosink is called osssink and you use a pipeline instead of a bin and so on.. [13:57] <wtay> yes [13:58] <wtay> Jacmet: problem is that our doc building system is kinda broken at the monent :( [13:58] <Jacmet> ohh.. [13:58] <wtay> yeah, it sucks [13:59] <Jacmet> well, it wasn't that hard to fix the problem, but its a bit of a pity nevertheless [13:59] <wtay> I can copy the CVS docs to the official released ones [14:00] <Jacmet> that would be nice [14:00] <wtay> doing that right now... [14:05] <Jacmet> well, I just joined the -devel mailinglist, so I'll be lurking around a bit, perhaps I can help with something.. [14:06] <wtay> there, I commented out the links to the old docs [14:07] <wtay> Jacmet: anything in particilar you want to do? [14:08] <Uraeus> wtay: can you add the man pages to our build system? [14:10] <Jacmet> wtay: hmm.. perhaps add some plugins or something - it seams quite easy to get started with.. [14:10] <wtay> Uraeus: what do you mean? [14:12] <Uraeus> wtay: there are some man pages under /plugins which should be installed when you do a 'make install' [14:12] <wtay> Uraeus: under plugins? you mean tools/? [14:13] <Uraeus> wtay: sorry, yes tools [14:13] <Jacmet> zsh: illegal hardware instruction gstreamer-register [14:13] <wtay> Jacmet: what plugin? [14:13] <Jacmet> Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction. [14:13] <Jacmet> [Switching to Thread 1024 (LWP 1291)] [14:13] <Jacmet> 0x4035a9f2 in xmlBufferAdd () from /usr/lib/libxml.so.1 [14:13] <Jacmet> (gdb) disassemble [14:13] <Jacmet> 0x4035a9f2 <xmlBufferAdd+102>: cmovl %eax,%esi [14:13] <wtay> Uraeus: hmm.. reading automake info... [14:13] <Jacmet> my laptop (std pentium) doesn't support cmovs ;) [14:14] <Jacmet> it dies at INFO ( 1291:-1)gst_plugin_load_absolute:372: loading plugin "/usr/lib/gst/libxvideosink.so"... [14:14] <Jacmet> INFO ( 1291:-1)gst_plugin_load_absolute:386: plugin "xvideosink" loaded: 1 elements, 0 types [14:14] <Jacmet> INFO ( 1291:-1)gst_plugin_load_all:241: loaded 57 plugins with 66 elements and 12 types [14:14] <wtay> Jacmet: you need to recompile libxml then I suppose... [14:14] <Jacmet> but it is probably just because I compiled libxml1 myself on a pentII [14:14] <wtay> ah [14:14] <Jacmet> wtay:yes [14:15] <Jacmet> wtay: I'm running debian testing - and the gstreamer packages depended on a newer libxml1 [14:15] <Jacmet> sorry to bother you - I didn't notice it was in libxml ;) [14:16] <wtay> Uraeus: hmm, man_MANS is the right target, it should work... testing... [14:16] <wtay> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./gstreamer-launch.1 /usr/local/man/man1/gstreamer-launch.1 [14:16] <wtay> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./gstreamer-register.1 /usr/local/man/man1/gstreamer-register.1 [14:16] <wtay> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./gstreamer-inspect.1 /usr/local/man/man1/gstreamer-inspect.1 [14:17] <wtay> etc... [14:17] <wtay> Uraeus: it should work in the CVS version [14:17] <Uraeus> wtay: ok, thanks [14:17] <wtay> steveb: you're reading? [14:18] <wtay> Uraeus: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnonlin/ (in case you didn't know) [14:23] <steveb> wtay: yep - interesting stuff [14:44] <wtay> steveb: are mostly interested in audio or video (I forgot, in case you already told me) [14:44] <wtay> s/are/are you/ [14:59] <steveb> wtay: well, audio really - there will be a bit of a difference between the two [15:01] <steveb> we might need specialised compositions to handle the differences between audio and video. or if we do it right that can be handled by the app [15:17] hadess (ha...@pc...) joined #gstreamer. [15:18] <hadess> hello guys [15:18] <wtay> hi [15:18] <Jacmet> hi [15:20] <wtay> steveb: I'm sure we don't need anything special in the core for that [15:21] <hadess> i got dvd playback working yesterday with xine on my ibook [15:21] <hadess> i want to try it with gst now ;) [15:21] <wtay> ugh [15:21] <wtay> hadess: we don't have DeCSS working [15:22] <hadess> there's a lib css... ;) [15:22] <wtay> hadess: first you need to hack it into dvdsrc :) [15:23] <hadess> yep, and i don't have a clue how to do that, as usual before doing some hacks [15:24] <wtay> there should be some examples of that and dvdsrc has a call to the css calls in the right place [15:24] <wtay> s/a call to// [15:25] <Uraeus> you guys know what this means: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv [15:25] <wtay> Uraeus: it means that it cannot find libXv.a [15:25] <Uraeus> which is what? [15:26] <hadess> xvideo, scaling and yuv->rgb conversion [15:26] <wtay> Uraeus: the lib for doing the XVideo extensions [15:26] <hadess> in hardware [15:26] <Uraeus> hmm [15:26] <Uraeus> strange [15:26] <wtay> in hardware in a somewhat crappy way... [15:27] <hadess> whatever [15:27] <wtay> better than SW [15:28] <Uraeus> wtay: you got the mailed I cc'ed you today? [15:28] <wtay> yes [15:29] <Uraeus> wtay: hopefully he ends up using the LGPL [15:30] <wtay> yeah, he should.. it's a lib after all [15:30] <hadess> what email ? [15:30] <Uraeus> hadess: I cc'ed wtay a mail/reply to Gerard the ffmpeg author [15:30] <hadess> wtay: lgpl doesn't make sense for *all* the libraries... [15:31] <hadess> Uraeus: what it says ? [15:32] <Uraeus> hadess: he is willing to relicense if we help promote his work [15:32] <wtay> I'm all confused with the dlopen stuff anyway.. does the GPL then apply? [15:32] <hadess> wtay: blur around that, xmms is gpl and dlopens proprietary software... [15:33] <wtay> hadess: that's different [15:33] <hadess> why ? [15:34] <wtay> when I write a propriatary app using a LGPL lib, and that lib opens a GPL plugin, is my app in violation with the GPL? [15:34] <hadess> oh, in this case, probably [15:34] <wtay> probably? [15:35] <hadess> ianal dude [15:36] <wtay> it's messy.. [15:36] <hadess> yup [15:49] <Uraeus> that is why we want as much as possible of what we use to be LGPL not GPL :) [15:57] vektor-ols (cooldude@HSE-Kitchener-ppp230616.sympatico.ca) left irc: Ping timeout for vektor-ols[HSE-Kitchener-ppp230616.sympatico.ca] [16:03] thomas (th...@ad...) joined #gstreamer. [16:03] <thomas> yo [16:03] <wtay> hoi [16:03] <thomas> wtay: maybe you should call gnolin glineview [16:03] <thomas> being the opposite, as in linear viewer instead of non-linear editor [16:03] <thomas> at least that I can pronounce ;) [16:04] <wtay> thomas: too late [16:04] <thomas> wtay: damn ;) [16:04] <thomas> I tried following the explanation, since I'm interested in the audio part [16:04] <thomas> my previous mixer does something similar although a lot more simple [16:04] <hadess> what is gnolin ? [16:04] <Uraeus> wtay: is it correct that our FLAC plugin doesn't work with Flac 1.0? [16:04] <thomas> so maybe I can find a way to take it up a step and make it fit in gnonlin [16:05] <wtay> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnonlin/ [16:05] <thomas> hadess: the non-linear editing library being built on top of gstreamer [16:05] <wtay> thomas: yes, please [16:05] <hadess> ooooh [16:05] <hadess> so that i can make an iMovie clone <g> [16:05] <wtay> hadess: is that for linear aditing of movies? [16:05] <wtay> non linear even? [16:06] <hadess> yep [16:06] <wtay> coolio [16:08] Uraeus (csc...@c2...) left irc: Client Exiting [16:09] <thomas> wtay: I suppose you would save the nle pipeline description as xml ? [16:09] <wtay> yes [16:09] <thomas> for the mixer, I would need both audio mixing and text message interleaving [16:09] ajbusy (aj...@p2...) left irc: Ping timeout for ajbusy[p22-max5.dun.ihug.co.nz] [16:09] <wtay> with the possibility to export to various other formats [16:09] <thomas> wtay: I think I already did an xml implementation of the mixer at work [16:09] <thomas> I'll check this week [16:10] <thomas> I don't remember how finished it was in relationship with gstreamer [16:14] <wtay> steveb: I'm building the configure stuff now [16:14] <Jacmet> there's a typo in INBOX.48ers [16:14] <Jacmet> * 0: nnimap:INBOX.Bynet [16:14] <Jacmet> * 0: nnimap:INBOX.gruppe [16:14] <Jacmet> [ Newsgroups -- 3584 ] [16:14] <Jacmet> 1501: comp.graphics.algorithms [16:14] <Jacmet> argh ;) [16:14] <Jacmet> there's a typo in http://www.gstreamer.net/gstreamerstatus.html under the festival audio plugin [16:15] <Jacmet> its not &nbdp; [16:15] <wtay> Jacmet: ok, thx [16:18] <Jacmet> wtay: I might have a look on the video4linux plugin as it apparently needs some work.. [16:18] <wtay> Jacmet: yeah.. it's a bit messy [16:27] <Jacmet> wtay: may I ask where in Belgium you are living? ;) [16:32] <wtay> Leuven [16:33] <Jacmet> wtay: ohh, I'm going to Leuven to write my master thesis in November [16:34] <wtay> cool [16:34] <Jacmet> wtay: the reason I ask is that my Belgian girlfriend is visiting me, and I noticed you were from Belgium too - So she asked where in Belgium you were living.. [16:34] <Jacmet> yes ;) [16:35] <wtay> tell me whe you get here and we'll go out and drink some beer :) [16:36] <Jacmet> wtay: great! I actually already got a Kot (in Kapucijnevoer 40) [16:37] <thomas> Oh, so english people also say "Kot" ? [16:37] <wtay> what's you thesis about? [16:37] <thomas> Kotverdomme I didn't knew that [16:37] <Jacmet> thomas: no, but my girlfriend told me to call it that ;) [16:37] <wtay> thomas: what? [16:37] <thomas> wtay: that they also said "Kot" ;) [16:38] <wtay> I doubt they do :) [16:38] <Jacmet> wtay: I'm studying to be a civil ingeneer in informatics specializing in computer vision and graphics - and the thesis is going to be about resolving occlusions and determining the position of the primary lightsource in augmented (mixed) reality systems [16:39] <wtay> ah that's easy :-) [16:39] <Jacmet> thomas: but I'm not English though [16:39] <Jacmet> wtay: heh ;) [16:40] <Jacmet> wtay: are you studying at K.U.Leuven? [16:40] <wtay> Jacmet: naah, I'm done with that 6 years ago [16:40] <Jacmet> wtay: ok ;) [16:43] <thomas> Jacmet: where're you from then ? [16:44] <Jacmet> thomas: /whois jacmet ;) .dk = Denmark [16:45] <wtay> Jacmet: you were at GUADEC? [16:46] <Jacmet> wtay: unfortunately not - It was just before a project deadline :( [16:48] <Jacmet> so I didn't have time to go to Copenhagen.. [16:48] <wtay> ok [16:53] <thomas> wtay: you're attracting all sorts of nationalities these days ;) [16:54] <wtay> notice how they all have something to do with belgium :) [16:55] <wtay> steveb: ? [16:58] thomas (th...@ad...) left irc: Ping timeout for thomas[adsl-63614.turboline.skynet.be] [17:02] thomas (th...@ad...) joined #gstreamer. [17:17] Nick change: hadess -> hds-afk [17:23] <steveb> back [17:25] <wtay> steveb: check gnonlin cvs :) [17:26] <wtay> steveb: you set up a cvs mailing list. it doesn't seem to work though... [17:28] <steveb> wtay: i haven't set up the cvs mailing (i have no idea how to) [17:29] <steveb> wey hey - instant project :) [17:31] <wtay> steveb: well, me neither... what's the admin password? [17:36] <steveb> emailed [17:40] <wtay> ok [17:40] Nick change: wtay -> wtay-food [17:41] <Jacmet> yes, foodtime for me aswell.. [17:41] <Jacmet> bye! [17:41] Jacmet (ja...@98...) left irc: foodtime [17:54] BeNOW (an...@ds...) joined #gstreamer. [17:54] <BeNOW> 'ello [17:55] Nick change: BeNOW -> BeNOW-here [18:06] vekky (wb...@pe...) joined #gstreamer. [18:06] <vekky> has omega been around? [18:09] vekky (wb...@pe...) left irc: too bad the scene is dead [18:19] Nick change: hds-afk -> hadess [18:20] Uraeus (csc...@c2...) joined #gstreamer. [18:20] <Uraeus> wow, it is SO humid here in Oslo now... [18:23] <hadess> i'm wet as well [18:26] Nick change: BeNOW-here -> BeNOW [18:26] <Uraeus> hadess: any new screenshots of rhytmbox available? [18:28] <steveb> can we make glib2 a *requirement* for gnonlin? it would make life simpler [18:28] Action: steveb directs previous question at wtay-food [18:29] <hadess> Uraeus: nope, busy with other stuff these days... i will put rhythmbox on gnome cvs as soon as the event system is fixed in gst [18:35] taaz-ols (dlehn@66.37.66.32) left irc: Ping timeout for taaz-ols[66.37.66.32] [18:35] taaz-ols (dlehn@66.37.66.32) joined #gstreamer. [18:36] wingo-out (wi...@rd...) left irc: Ping timeout for wingo-out[rdu26-53-208.nc.rr.com] [18:38] wingo-out (wingo@66.26.53.208) joined #gstreamer. [19:01] Zeenix (asd...@ho...) joined #gstreamer. [19:03] <Zeenix> hi [19:04] <Zeenix> Uraeus: online ? [19:08] omega_ (om...@cp...) joined #gstreamer. [19:09] Nick change: wtay-food -> wtay [19:09] <wtay> yo [19:09] <omega_> yo [19:09] <Zeenix> yo [19:12] <Zeenix> wtay: does the output from 'strings /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.xxx | grep DRI' says some failures ? [19:12] <Zeenix> wtay: on your sys i mean [19:13] <wtay> no failures, no, just a bunch of symbols [19:13] <wtay> ah.. sec.. [19:13] <wtay> XF86DRIQueryDirectRenderingCapable failed [19:13] <wtay> XF86DRIQueryDirectRenderingCapable returned false [19:13] <wtay> XF86DRIQueryExtension failed [19:13] <wtay> XF86DRIQueryVersion failed [19:13] <wtay> XF86DRIGetClientDriverName failed [19:13] <wtay> XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: %d.%d.%d %s [19:14] <wtay> brb [19:14] <Zeenix> wtay: yes the same i get, does this mean our libGL.so is incapable for DRI ? [19:17] <Zeenix> wtay: away ? [19:18] <wtay> Zeenix: no [19:18] <wtay> I use DRI [19:20] <Zeenix> wtay: my i have done all the things told in docs at dri site, the X messages are all fine & it says DRI enabled, glxinfo is also OK, but still i get my PC hard locked when i open any Ape that uses libGL.so( DRI ) [19:21] <wtay> Zeenix: most likely a driver problem then [19:21] <wtay> Zeenix: I got frequent lockups too with old driver [19:21] <wtay> s/driver/drivers [19:22] <Zeenix> wtay: i installed the new kernel modules for my Rage 128( r128.o ) replacing the old one ? [19:23] <wtay> Zeenix: thats goo [19:23] <wtay> s/goo/goos [19:23] <wtay> heh, good [19:24] <steveb> wtay: can we make glib2 a *requirement* for gnonlin? it would make life simpler [19:24] Zeenix (asd...@ho...) left irc: Read error to Zeenix[host-64.netzone.net.pk]: Connection reset by peer [19:24] <hadess> yo omega_, how was ls ? [19:24] <hadess> ols even [19:25] <wtay> steveb: uhm... not really [19:25] <wtay> steveb: I mean, we can't until we can compile Gnome 2.0 [19:25] Zeenix (asd...@ho...) joined #gstreamer. [19:25] <steveb> wtay: fair enough [19:26] <omega_> hadess: pretty good [19:26] <hadess> gnome2 will rock [19:26] <wtay> steveb: I'm now trying to use pkg-config to link against uninstalled gst [19:26] <steveb> omega_: do you have any influence with timj @ gtk.org? [19:26] <omega_> nope [19:26] <steveb> wtay: i'd like to know how to do that [19:26] <hadess> nobody has influence on him [19:27] <steveb> omega_: he hasn't replied to my gin64 GValue patch yet [19:27] <wtay> steveb: me too, that's why i'm trying to find out how [19:28] <steveb> bbl [19:28] Nick change: steveb -> steveb-away [19:28] <omega_> steveb-away: I get the impression from Owen that timj doesn't really pay too much attention [19:28] <wtay> omega_: do you know if it's possible with current pkg-config to use gstreamer from the build dir in another project? [19:28] <Zeenix> omega_: you havent tested my app yet, right ? [19:29] <omega_> Zeenix: no, will do so tomorrow once I'm home and have time [19:29] sienap (sy...@ip...) joined #gstreamer. [19:43] Nick change: hadess -> hds-movie [19:43] <hds-movie> what ! knightrider 2000 ;) [19:46] <sienap> WHAT ? [19:46] <sienap> you mean that car named kid [19:46] <sienap> ? [19:51] <Zeenix> omega_ & wtay: find me a hello world like prog. on librtp & i'll start working on rtprecv [19:55] <hds-movie> sienap: nah, was called kitt [19:56] <wtay> Zeenix: gnome-o-phone [19:56] <Zeenix> wtay: you mean the gnome-o-phone source code ? [19:56] <thomas> anyone really familiar with xmms & plugins ? [19:57] <hds-movie> thomas: a bit [19:57] <wtay> Zeenix: yes [19:57] <thomas> I have a playlist generator program; I'm looking for a way to make xmms get a new playlist when it's current playlist is done [19:57] <thomas> should I write a new plugin for that or is there some way to do it with current plugins ? [19:57] <sienap> gone [19:58] sienap (sy...@ip...) left #gstreamer. [19:58] <hds-movie> thomas: that's not a plugin you want, but a remote-control program [19:58] <hds-movie> thomas: check xmms/xmmsctrl.h [19:58] <thomas> hds-movie: ok, thanks. YOu think there's something like that out there already ? [19:58] <thomas> I couldn't find anything at first glance [19:58] <hds-movie> thomas: i don't think so [19:59] greg_ (gr...@ho...) joined #gstreamer. [19:59] <thomas> heh, it would work wonders though [19:59] <Zeenix> wtay: hmm..., thats not even a bit simillar to a hello world app, any way looks like i'll *have to* hack into gnome-o-phone, no other way visible, right ? [19:59] <hds-movie> well, it's a playlist of playlist... i find that quite useless... [20:00] <thomas> hds-movie: how so ? [20:00] <thomas> the playlists get generated from a database based on parameters and schedules [20:00] <wtay> Zeenix: nope [20:00] <thomas> combined with a modified crossfade-plugin, that sounds great [20:00] <thomas> I just ask for a bathtime playlist and I get an hour of bathtime music ;) [20:01] <hds-movie> right... [20:01] <hds-movie> i have no use for this kind of things [20:01] <thomas> you should bathe [20:01] greg_ (gr...@ho...) left irc: [x]chat [20:01] <thomas> sorry, that was lame [20:02] greg_ (gr...@ho...) joined #gstreamer. [20:03] <Zeenix> hds-movie: you doesnt look good if you keep talking having that -movie with your nick <g> [20:03] <hds-movie> just that my life is not "minuted" like your, and i take showers, not baths [20:03] Nick change: hds-movie -> hadess [20:03] <hadess> Zeenix: actually it's not to start yet [20:07] <thomas> hadess: didn't mean to rile you, thanks for the info [20:07] <Zeenix> wtay: is there a way to check the direct rendering is working or not without getting my system locked ? [20:08] <wtay> Zeenix: nope [20:09] <Zeenix> wtay: then there must be some tricks to save my file system before trying that ? [20:09] Parapraxis (sp...@us...) joined #gstreamer. [20:09] <wtay> Zeenix: you can remount them ro [20:09] <Parapraxis> yo [20:09] <wtay> hi [20:10] <Zeenix> wtay: remount the '/' FS ? how ? [20:11] <wtay> mount -n -o remount,ro / [20:14] <Zeenix> wtay: thanx, if you remember i asked about it a few days ago & you told me its not possible [20:15] <Zeenix> wtay: looks like someone steels your nick when you are away <g> [20:15] <wtay> uhm... sorry [20:15] <Zeenix> s/steel/steal [20:16] <wtay> hmm, that was something else, you wanted to mount another partition as root [20:16] <Zeenix> wtay: ahhhh...., alright that was my fault, now i remember [20:17] <Zeenix> wtay: sometimes i just get sick of problems from Linux, now there is another [20:20] <Zeenix> wtay: from the time i copied all files named *avi*.dll from c/window/system to /usr/lib/win32/, the window media player now refuses some avi movies saying missing decompression lib.( doesnt mention which one ) [20:21] <wtay> uh oh [20:21] <Zeenix> wtay: it seems quite illogical to me, isnt it ? [20:22] <wtay> Zeenix: you've probably overwritten some of the windows dlls [20:22] <thomas> Zeenix: sure you copied them, you didn't move them ? [20:23] <thomas> hadess: someone on xmms gave me a good way to do it. xmms is great ;) [20:23] <Zeenix> thomas: no i didnt, i copied it, not moved it [20:23] <hadess> xmms is pure suckiness [20:24] <Zeenix> hadess: lets make our mp3 player <g> [20:24] <Zeenix> hadess: i have the gst hello world ready, only need some GUI painting [20:24] <thomas> hadess: you're right, but until there's something better ... [20:26] <Zeenix> wtay: i need some small sample movies of all types( mpeg, avi etc ), have some ? [20:26] <hadess> hahaha, i'm waiting for the guys to bloody fix the event system to put rhythmbox in cvs [20:27] <wtay> Zeenix: gstreamer.net/media/ [20:33] <Zeenix> wtay: send me an avi movie of your, how about that [20:34] <wtay> Zeenix: negative :) [20:35] <thomas> hadess: yeah, I could use some events too [20:35] <thomas> and refcounting while we're at it [20:35] <thomas> wtay: is refcounting something a moron like I could fix ? [20:35] <wtay> thomas: probably, yes [20:36] <Zeenix> the gstmediaplayer crashes on clicking the stop button, is this a bug in gstmediaplay or .... [20:36] <wtay> problem is that all the test apps are screwed now [20:36] <wtay> Zeenix: it's a bug in gstreamer [20:37] <Zeenix> wtay: i dont have an alternative to gst, do it ? [20:37] <wtay> Zeenix: nope [20:38] <Zeenix> wtay: bi [20:38] Zeenix (asd...@ho...) left irc: [20:39] <wtay> thomas: refcounting was mostly implemented but got commented out during the glib2.0 changes [20:39] <wtay> thomas: I think the code is still in there, it's just commented out [20:51] <thomas> wtay: there must have been a reason for that, no ? [20:56] Nick change: hadess -> hds-movie [21:03] <wtay> thomas: I think it's a bit messy with the shims... [21:03] <wtay> thomas: or maybe not, I think it was left out because [21:04] <wtay> yeah, no reason... [21:04] <wtay> thomas: anyway, you should soon port your mixer to gnonlin [21:07] <wtay> well.. soon == in a few more months [21:12] <thomas> wtay: heh, the boxes using it will probably start shipping sooner than that [21:12] <thomas> we finished the demo prototype last friday [21:13] <thomas> ah heck, we'll just call all of them back in after three months ;) [21:13] <wtay> hmm, you don't need to replace something that works :) [21:13] <thomas> wtay: good point. I'd go broke in a second if left alone with my ideas [21:15] <wtay> heg [21:15] <wtay> heh [21:55] Nick change: steveb-away -> steveb [21:56] <steveb> omega_: still here? [22:18] ajbusy (aj...@p5...) joined #gstreamer. [22:20] chillywilly (bau...@d8...) joined #gstreamer. [22:20] Nick change: ajbusy -> ajmitch [22:25] <wtay> yo [22:27] <ajmitch> hi [22:39] Nick change: hds-movie -> hadess [22:40] <hadess> lalala [22:50] sienap (sy...@ip...) joined #gstreamer. [22:51] <sienap> hej all [22:51] <sienap> hej wim! 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[22:55] <wtay> yo [22:56] <sienap> damn i forgot the pipeline to play mpeg [22:56] <sienap> that i used a while ago with vgasink [22:56] <sienap> (which i still have to finish off) [22:56] <sienap> blah [22:56] <sienap> sue me [22:57] omega_ (om...@cp...) left irc: Read error to omega_[cpu2385.adsl.bellglobal.com]: EOF from client [22:57] <wtay> sienap: lucky for you that's it's now in the documentation... :) [22:58] <sienap> bitch :) [22:58] <sienap> btw i ALMOST deleted vgasink some days ago [22:58] <sienap> happily the P of plugins isn't the first dir rm -rf is removing :) [22:58] <sienap> i was just on time [22:58] <wtay> I almost finished vgasink a month ago.. :) [22:59] <sienap> screw you :) [22:59] <sienap> i am just doing some other things lately [22:59] <sienap> i WILL finish it :) [22:59] <wtay> yeah yeah... <g> [22:59] <sienap> you have a cooler version then i have there ? [23:00] <wtay> no [23:00] <sienap> he.. ? [23:00] <sienap> why.. [23:00] <sienap> tell [23:00] <sienap> he ok [23:00] <wtay> it's in cvs now [23:00] dobey (do...@di...) joined #gstreamer. [23:00] <sienap> in what doc it is ? [23:00] <sienap> ooh cool [23:00] <dobey> hrmm [23:01] <sienap> btw electric sheep is COOL :) [23:01] <sienap> electricsheep.org [23:02] <dobey> uh-huh [23:04] <sienap> almost have a new sheep :) [23:04] <sienap> node 883 [23:04] <wtay> cool [23:04] chillywilly (bau...@d8...) left irc: rebooting to hurd [23:04] <wtay> oh it's even in debian... [23:04] <sienap> hehe [23:05] <sienap> electricsheep is really COOL [23:05] Action: dobey blows mayam a kiss through the wtay proxy [23:05] <sienap> look at the statustable and stuff [23:05] <sienap> WIEEH WIEEEH :) [23:05] <sienap> lol [23:05] <sienap> :) [23:05] <sienap> yeah wim force her online or something :) [23:06] Action: wtay watches maYam faint [23:06] <sienap> dopey you understand the WHOLE status table ? [23:06] <sienap> ghe [23:06] <dobey> status table? [23:06] <sienap> the electricsheep statustable [23:06] <sienap> http://electricsheep.org/v2.1/cgi/status.cgi [23:06] <sienap> also click on the nodes [23:06] <sienap> gives you more informationa [23:07] <sienap> who did render which frame [23:07] <sienap> and stuff [23:07] <dobey> i am not looking at a statustable, i am innovatively hacking [23:07] <sienap> it is the render statustable dude :) [23:07] <sienap> aah forget it [23:07] <sienap> i am off [23:07] <sienap> ;) [23:07] sienap (sy...@ip...) left #gstreamer. [23:07] <dobey> heh [23:07] <dobey> fine [23:08] <dobey> what a disturbed little child [23:09] <wtay> somewhat... [23:10] <dobey> anyway, back to hacking an IE/Mozilla/etc.. replacement [23:11] Nick change: ajmitch -> ajbusy [23:15] steveb (st...@no...) left irc: advance! [23:17] chillywilly (bau...@d9...) joined #gstreamer. [23:24] lmjohns3 (lmj...@rd...) joined #gstreamer. [23:37] ajbusy (aj...@p5...) left irc: http://www.freedevelopers.net [23:42] <lmjohns3> thomas, are you free at the moment ? [23:45] <thomas> lmjohns3: yeah [23:45] <thomas> why ? [23:46] <Uraeus> naptime, see ya [23:46] Uraeus (csc...@c2...) left #gstreamer (Client Exiting). [23:47] Nick change: taaz-ols -> taaz [23:48] <lmjohns3> i'm working on a filter and was using the cutter example, had a question about it. [23:49] <thomas> lmjohns3: shoot [23:50] <lmjohns3> ok. the cutter filter emits a signal at certain times, and a user program is responsible for connecting a function to handle the signal & act, right ? [23:51] <thomas> lmjohns3: right, that's it [23:51] <lmjohns3> sweet. [23:51] <thomas> you need an example app for cutter ? [23:51] <thomas> I have one which we use at the radio station [23:51] <lmjohns3> i'm using the one in gstreamer/examples right now. [23:51] <thomas> ok, that's the one [23:51] <lmjohns3> ok. [23:51] <thomas> it auto-records whenever the level is high enough for a long enough time [23:52] <thomas> we use at the radio station to auto-record news items [23:52] <lmjohns3> oh, nice. i was wondering about that. [23:52] <lmjohns3> so each news item goes in a different file ? [23:52] <thomas> after that it gets sent to the database and it ends up connected to the right news item based on clicks in a web interface while reading ;) [23:52] <lmjohns3> cool ! [23:52] <thomas> yeah, I believe the filename is based on the time, right ? [23:52] <lmjohns3> yeah. [23:53] <thomas> I have to finish that up soon though [23:53] <lmjohns3> why's that ? [23:53] <thomas> Well, now it records wav, right ? [23:53] <lmjohns3> yup. [23:53] <thomas> That's because events are not ready yet [23:53] <lmjohns3> ah. [23:53] <thomas> I wanted to have it done in mp3, while now that's done externally [23:53] <lmjohns3> yeah. it looked like something cron might handle. [23:53] <thomas> but the problem is like this : if you change the output to a different file, you should be able to flush the mp3 plugin ... [23:54] <thomas> ... because if not, it will use sample data put in before [23:54] <thomas> ... it will also mess up on headers and stuff [23:54] <lmjohns3> oh. that's not too good. [23:54] <thomas> while if we had events ... you could tell the audio encoder plugin to flush all memory and stuff [23:54] <thomas> but since wav doesn't use sample "memory", it's not a problem there [23:54] <lmjohns3> oh ... <small amount of enlightenment> [23:55] <thomas> So I'm kinda waiting on wtay and omega to start throwing around ideas ;) [23:55] <thomas> anyway, the cutter plugin is a nice example of the things you can do with gstreamer ... [23:55] <wtay> uh? [23:55] <thomas> I only had to code the cutter plugin, and I get all kinds of output possibilities for free [23:55] <thomas> in theory at least ;) [23:55] <lmjohns3> yeah. i asked wingo why there wasn't another release ... he said it was cuz omega was working on events. [23:55] <wtay> hehe, wait till you see how simple gnonline will be :) [23:55] <lmjohns3> what's that ? [23:56] <thomas> wtay: shouldn't we start plugging it until there's actually something to plug ? ;) [23:56] <wtay> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnonlin/ [23:56] <thomas> s/start/not start/ [23:57] <wtay> thomas: the time is right I believe [23:57] <thomas> ok, while I'm at it, can anyone explain me what registered nicks are, and what I should do about xchat complaining each time that my nick is registered ? [23:57] <thomas> wtay: yeah, the idea is ready, but it could use some code [23:57] <lmjohns3> sorry, dunno anything about irc. [23:57] <wtay> thomas: I'm writing code... [23:57] <wtay> thomas: cvs has code [23:58] <wtay> thomas: it means somebody else has your nick registered [23:58] <thomas> wtay: oh, cool [23:58] <thomas> wtay: about the code I mean [23:58] <wtay> :) [23:58] <thomas> wtay: so I should change and register it, where should I do that ? [23:58] <thomas> and what does the cvs code do at the moment ? [23:58] <wtay> thomas: I don't remember actually [23:58] <thomas> you haven't been working on it all weekend, have you ? [23:58] <wtay> thomas: it builds :) [23:59] <wtay> thomas: and then it segfaults :) [23:59] <thomas> wtay: and main returns 0 ? [23:59] <thomas> it sounds like a real app then [23:59] <wtay> yeah [23:59] <thomas> it can compete with gstmediaplay already ;) [23:59] <wtay> hehe [00:00] --- Mon Jul 30 2001 [00:00] ajmitch (aj...@p5...) joined #gstreamer. [00:00] <wtay> it'll be an excelent test app to stress the event system [00:00] <thomas> wtay: yeah, the way my mixer stopped working because it registered 16 plugin instances ;) [00:01] <thomas> if you have a good nle app, it'll hit a hundred in no time [00:01] <wtay> thomas: yes, that's an issue [00:02] <thomas> let's not overstress omega too much [00:02] <BeNOW> heya... if anyone likes techno and is on cable or better, check out http://benow.org ... soon to be gstreamer powered [00:03] <wtay> I'm not stressing him, I'm stressing the event system :-) [00:03] <dobey> "gstreamer powered"? [00:03] <BeNOW> xmms now. [00:03] <wtay> do we have a logo for that? [00:03] <BeNOW> hehe [00:03] <BeNOW> If you did, I'd use it [00:03] <dobey> i didn't know xmms could serve the web [00:04] <dobey> jesus [00:04] <BeNOW> xmms+liveice to shoutcast/icecast [00:04] <dobey> 25 packets transmitted, 23 packets received, 8% packet loss [00:04] <BeNOW> now with gstreamer, I can uninstall X... plus relay from other http streams, mp3, flac, linein [00:05] <dobey> why are you using xmms anyway? [00:05] <wtay> BeNOW: so there is a little xmms window sitting on the servers desktop now? <g> [00:05] <BeNOW> its stable [00:05] <BeNOW> yep [00:05] <dobey> uhm, so is the encoder thingy that comes with icecast [00:05] <BeNOW> 256k internal stream [00:05] <thomas> omega: put vektor's talk of DVD's online please when you have the time ;) [00:05] <BeNOW> liveice doesn't like high bitrate [00:05] <BeNOW> (atleast not for me) [00:05] <dobey> liveice doesn't like living [00:06] <thomas> that's why we call it deadice [00:06] <BeNOW> it's all tied to a request engine, db too... 300 albums orso. [00:06] <thomas> there was a better one based on the newer libshout library. Didn't ices work as well ? [00:06] <dobey> no wonder it times out [00:06] <BeNOW> yeah... no probs with gstreamer tho... even at 256k [00:06] <wtay> too bad I don't like techno... [00:06] <BeNOW> dobey: try one of the mirrors [00:07] <dobey> too bad i have 200 Gb of 192kbps oggs available to me [00:07] <BeNOW> heh [00:07] <BeNOW> I'm just starting to flac my cd's... [00:07] <thomas> wtay: shameless plug: if you don't like techno, you can also listen to 12 types of high-quality 128k mp3 feeds at planet internet radio [00:08] <dobey> or you can browse shoutcast.com and get whatever you want [00:08] <wtay> thomas: I know... [00:08] ChiefHighwater (fl...@ad...) joined #gstreamer. [00:08] <dobey> or you can wait for me to write my fake-IE hack [00:08] <wtay> or I can listen to the humming of my PCs [00:09] <BeNOW> I've a few cd's on there that sound that fridge noise, if you're after comfort. [00:09] Action: dobey plays with ie some more [00:10] Action: dobey inserts his fae action cd [00:10] <thomas> ok, i'm off to bed [00:10] <thomas> night all [00:10] <wtay> cya [00:10] <BeNOW> l8r [00:10] thomas (th...@ad...) left irc: [x]chat [00:21] Nick change: ChiefHighwater -> CHW-away [00:21] <lmjohns3> BeNOW: are you playing your personal music on the web site ? [00:21] <BeNOW> all of it I own... yeah. [00:22] <BeNOW> I made it? no. [00:22] <lmjohns3> cool. you should check out premiers symptomes by air -- it's really nice. [00:22] <BeNOW> yeah, I've heard that's a good one... heard 10kHz legend? [00:22] <lmjohns3> yeah, i don't really like it. too poppy. [00:23] <BeNOW> yup... last 1/2 of the album rocks tho. [00:23] <BeNOW> heard boards of canada? [00:23] <lmjohns3> only one track on the kid lock dj kicks album. [00:23] Action: dobey waits to see black fords pulling up to benow's door [00:24] <BeNOW> me too [00:24] <BeNOW> you should req music has the right to children... very good [00:24] <lmjohns3> check ambient.2y.net/leif/personal/music/ to see what i'm listening to if you're interested. [00:24] <lmjohns3> what's music has the right to children ? [00:26] <BeNOW> album by boards of canada [00:27] <lmjohns3> ah. [00:27] <lmjohns3> so what made you want to set up benow.org ? [00:27] <dobey> the federal fuck-me-in-the-ass prison he's going to end up going to [00:27] <dobey> heh [00:27] <lmjohns3> heh heh [00:28] <BeNOW> to increase exposure to hard to find stuff [00:28] <lmjohns3> BeNOW: that's a cool web page. [00:28] <BeNOW> needs love [00:28] <lmjohns3> right on. [00:29] <lmjohns3> hey, i found a cool site the other day : www.sweet-ting.com, they broadcast from the SAT in Montreal. [00:29] <lmjohns3> (societe des arts technologiques, www.sat.qc.ca) [00:30] <wtay> BeNOW: you got JNI working? [00:30] <BeNOW> cool... only 32k stream tho :( [00:31] <lmjohns3> yeah, but the tunes are really good ... [00:32] <lmjohns3> have you run into any legal issues over benow.org ? [00:32] Nick change: taaz -> taaz-away [00:33] <BeNOW> not yet... mostly small label stuff... and (purposfully) not that popular [00:34] <BeNOW> would be different if it was celine dion and boyz to men... and I'd be frequently vomitting too. [00:34] <BeNOW> MPAA told me to stop trading Simpsons on gnutella tho... [00:34] <BeNOW> hehe [00:35] <BeNOW> buggers... my CDN provider is spineless [00:35] <BeNOW> serves me right for not using freenet ;) [00:36] <wtay> you think people would be interested in me serving mp3s of my humming pcs? [00:37] <lmjohns3> wtay: you might be surprised ... [00:37] <wtay> erm :) [00:37] <lmjohns3> BeNOW: who's your provider ? [00:37] <BeNOW> wtay: set up a mic and do a live stream... then you'd head the hd and everything [00:37] <lmjohns3> and what's CDN ? [00:38] <BeNOW> canadian, eh. [00:38] <lmjohns3> oh. (er, is that 'eh') [00:50] <wtay> I'm off to bed... cya [00:50] Nick change: wtay -> wtay-zZz [00:50] <BeNOW> later [01:01] ajmitch (aj...@p5...) left irc: Ping timeout for ajmitch[p53-max3.dun.ihug.co.nz] [01:01] ajmitch (aj...@p5...) joined #gstreamer. [01:09] dobey (do...@di...) left irc: out [01:12] greg_ (gr...@ho...) left irc: [x]chat [01:14] <lmjohns3> nope [01:15] <lmjohns3> i'm listening now though. pretty cool. [01:17] <lmjohns3> ... while i wait for gstreamer to compile ... [01:17] <lmjohns3> ... [01:20] <BeNOW> hehe, nice. [01:23] CHW-away (fl...@ad...) left irc: Ping timeout for CHW-away[adsl-216-103-89-147.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] [01:35] <lmjohns3> BeNOW: this track is really cool. is the rest of the cd like this ? 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