Re: [Gramps-devel] Sensitive subject ..

[Don A. <dal...@us...>]

Sorry I've been fairly inactive for the past week or so. I was on
vacation.

While gay marriages are still relatively new and available in only a few
areas, they exist and need to be handled correctly. But like everything
else, we need to make sure we implement it correctly instead of just
slapping on a band-aid.

Currently, GRAMPS 1.0.X supports the following relationship types:

1) Married (male/female)
2) Unmarried (male/female)
3) Unknown (male/female)
4) Other (male/female)
5) Partners (male/male, female/female)

It looks like we need to add at least two types:

6) Domestic Partnership (non-marriage, legally recognized gay
    relationship)
7) Gay Marriage

So we can:

1) Allow the "Married" tag additionally handle gay relationships, drop
   the "Partners" in favor of an "Unmarried" that handles gay
   relationships, and add "Domestic Partnership"

2) Add Domestic Partnership, add "Married (gay)" and change "Partners"
   to "Unmarried (gay)"

The first option can cause problems in that we have checks in place to
make sure the you don't make a mistake and to reduce the list of people
you have to choose from. For example, if you add a spouse to a person,
we filter the selections based of gender to reduce the list (If your
person is a male, we display only females for "married" and only males
for "partnership"). We also perform a basic sanity check of gender vs.
relationship type to filter out errors.

The second option solves the first options problem, except it is likely
to be offensive to those who have worked for gay marriage rights by
treating it separately from a traditional marriage. After all, if the
marriage isn't recognized as a marriage, then it is really just a
"domestic partnership".

Any opinions?

PLEASE NOTE: 

    This is not an invitation to open up a gay marriage debate. This
    is a family history/genealogy problem. GRAMPS has already expanded
    into the family history realm by supporting adoptions and other 
    relationships outside a strict ancestor/descendant role.
  
    We want to solve the family history/genealogy problem. Whether you
    support or oppose gay marriages and domestic partnerships, they 
    are a fact of life. As such, we need to support them. Please save
    any political or religious debates for other discussion forums.

Don

On Sun, 2004-07-25 at 08:22, Jim Winfrey wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-07-25 at 09:44, Alex Roitman wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 06:39:24AM -0400, Richard wrote:
> > > 
> > > i tried to have two men and say married .. but they wont show
> > > in the editor.. only under partners. 
> > > 
> > > since gay marriage is now a fact .. will you guys consider
> > > a modification ? 
> > 
> > I have no problem with this. Maybe we should still have a warning
> > before accepting same-sex marriage. The reasoning is that the
> > same-sex marriages are still frairly rare and most of the time
> > when user enter such a thing it is in error rather than a concious
> > choice.
> > 
> > The users known what they're doing will just confirm.
> > 
> > Does that sound OK?
> > Alex
> 
> Alex,
> 
> Working with several other genie programs over the years, every time
> somebody brings up the fact that the world, as far as the definition of
> family is concerned, is changing.  The argument boils down to the
> difference between pure genealogy (spelled gene pool results) and family
> history.  I certainly hope we can include the capability in Gramps to do
> either.  So, I really appreciate your response, above, to this request.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
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Don Allingham <dal...@us...>
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