Re: [Gramps-devel] old SourceForge repo

[Benny M. <ben...@gm...>]

2012/11/19 Tim Lyons <guy...@gm...>

> I wasn't arguing that the old sourceforge repository should be retained [1]
> (sorry Paul).
>
> I recognise that sourceforge has decided to abandon the old repository
> framework, and we are at the mercy of their decisions. There is not much
> point in keeping the old repository when it is clearly not up to date, and
> it was always clear that sourceforge was abandoning it.
>
> I think that we have been badly let down by sourceforge's decision to
> change
> to a new framework. Not only do there seem to be some faults in the
> framework (for example, the error message [2]) but also the new framework
> does not automatically support ViewVC. However, I realise that we are
> entirely at the mercy of the decisions made by sourceforge, and there is
> very little we can do about it. I suppose that some of the decisions are
> due
> to the recent take-over, and perhaps things will get worse! But, after all,
> we don't pay for sourceforge, and economics tell us that you get what you
> pay for!
>
> I do not agree that there are "various desktop applications which can give
> you equally helpful views with much faster response than ViewVC ever could"
> [3]. While there are desktop applications, they cannot be as fast as
> ViewVC.
> For example, to do a comparison of historic versions, they have to request
> construction and download of the versions, and then compare them. This
> cannot be faster than constructing the historic versions on the server, and
> downloading only the diff. I have tried some desktop clients, and they are
> not as responsive as ViewVC in other respects too. Besides, I liked the
> ViewVC User Interface - though such things are subjective.
>
> So, my views are:
>
> (1) I would encourage investigation as to whether ViewVC can be implemented
> in the project's webspace, although I recognise that "it will be a long
> road
> if we try to get ViewVC running while Allura is still young in the
> Sourceforge ecosystem" [3]
>

As you say, viewvc will be fast on the same server, hosted by us, it will
probably be slower than doing it on your laptop with  eg rapidsvn (which I
now use, and the times I did, it seemed for me as fast as viewvc).

>
> (2) Is it time to look at alternatives to sourceforge? I hate the thought
> of
> going through all the disruption again, but if it is possible that things
> might get worse, is now the time to look? (but please don't change to a
> different source control system as well!)
>

:-)
We don't use sourceforge for much, but switching to something else means
change to something else than svn:
http://www.svnhostingcomparison.com/
I don't want google personally (does not look nice for an OSS project in my
view to host on google), I don't like berlios look and feel, so sourceforge
it is.

Subversion hosting is not hot anymore, and going to a small player is not a
good option. I already had a project disappear because the operator just
stopped, most annoying.
My view is that we will switch to git somewhere in the future, but there is
no hurry.

benny

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> [1] http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/Subversion-tp4657349p4657350.html
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> http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/txn-current-lock-Permission-denied-on-commit-tp4657325.html
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> http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/Please-bring-back-ViewVC-tp4657316p4657317.html
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