From: Bastien J. <bas...@m4...> - 2012-05-24 14:06:57
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Hi Jérome, In fact, we know that this could be used by some programs[1], but not > all... The problem could the official implementation of something wrong > according to Gedcom file format specification[2]. > > Gramps has always tried to fix some specific gedcom issues generated by > others programs. Does it make sense to generate a new one? > Would such a "wrong" schema hurt any program ? I mean : is there any program that will refuse to handle the file written this way ? I thought they would all silently ignore this part if not handled. If so, then, would a checkbox in export ui solve that ? [event though if the gedcom export code start to be conditionnal, it will quickly be ugly ] > Patrick Texier (which has forked versions of Lifelines and GenJ), also > noted this custom behavior on your link/url[3]! So, I suppose Lifelines, > GenJ, Ancestris, Ohmigene, Geneatique, etc ... will not support this custom > sequence, right? And I am ignoring all others programs around the world! > US market, UK/IR/GAL markets, DE market, SV market, etc... > He actually stated that LifeLines exported the link to FAM in each INDI in the pointed link > > Note, Hérédis is not the most gedcom compliant[4][5] program.. > Sure, my point is note to state that, but to say : "There is a way to export my witnesses to GeneaNet" by doing some not-so-legal stuff Geneanet already adapted to. > > Hérédis [3] (34-50% of market share in France in 2003 [6]) >> > > I looked at this statistic because someone was complaining about it on > geneanet forum too, and it seems it was generated by > societies/associations/forums, which were sponsored (partnership) by > Hérédis and Geneatique, both actors of this market... > > Maybe some people (tante jeanne, an immigrated orphan, etc ...) did not > answer on this type of poll and should be also allowed to practice > genealogy without falling into this market. > > Otherwise, have a look at the site? > > N°1 des logiciels de généalogie*, la référence en Europe depuis 17 ans, >> Heredis est le logiciel préféré des Français. >> *La technologie Heredis est n°1 des ventes en valeur et en volume sur le >> marché des logiciels de généalogie en France (GFK) >> > > Well, does 'the most bought', means n°1 or preferred ??? > Remember why 'hr2ged'[6] has been created ... > I completely agree, and wont promote Heredis. But lot of people use it, since most of the people I met on Geneanet do. I dont think we should avoid exporting stuff just because some 'evil commercial sofware' do the same. [Again, if it DOES prevent any other program to open the file, then I understand] I do not think exporting witnesses this way will promote Heredis at all. If a new standard emerges from that, ... well ... thats fine. > > Anyway, if GeneWeb supports this, then I suppose we need to think on > Doug's suggestion: > > "I don't have any comment on correctness of such Gedcom extensions, but > just a suggestion that someone could make a 3rd party addon that > extends our Gedcom importer/exporter. Such an addon could collect all > of the common extensions used by a group (of a particular product, or > from a particular culture) implementing some defacto extension > standards." --2012-05-19 > Well, why not, but I clearly see that as more time-consuming. And I dont see how we could reuse current gedcom export without dirty code interleave. [would inheriting from the gedcom exporter help ?] > We greatly appreciated your contribution and patch, thank you! > But the question about implementation into core modules remains... > Is that a ACK or a NACK ? > > Note, there is an alternative: to improve GeneWeb file format support by > Gramps? See feature request #3094[7] ! '.gw' is the native file format for > Geneanet. > Yes, but it seems that we start from further, and only GeneWeb would benefit from that, instead of GeneWeb + Heredis + LifeLines (at least, and as you mentionned, most of french based program think that ASSO between INDI and non-INDI are fine) > > [1] http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=2918#c22779 > [2] http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=2918#c22786 > [3] > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-FF-LOG/2007-02/1172226948 > [4] > http://www.arvernes.com/wiki/index.php/Ancestris_-_Rapports_-_Boite_%C3%A0_outils_-_R%C3%A9paration_GedCom#Heredis > [5] > http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Import_from_another_program#Heredis > [6] http://loic.fejoz.free.fr/hr2ged/ > [7] http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=3094 > > > regards, > Jérôme > > > > Bastien Jacquet a écrit : > >> Hi all ! >> >> I originally proposed this patch. I will precise what Jérome stated : >> After looking around, this is the only way I found to have Geneweb [1] >> (from far the most used tree-publishing place in France), the engine of >> Geneanet [2], importing witnesses. >> It seems [4] that Geneweb implemented that to allow import from Hérédis >> [3] (34-50% of market share in France in 2003 [6] ). >> They are still maintaining this import, which is still used by some >> people in 2011-11 [5] >> >> Hérédis seems [5] to export both an ASSO in the individual record as : >> 0 @I...@ INDI >> ... >> 1 ASSO @F...@ >> 2 TYPE FAM >> 2 RELA Témoin >> and an other one in the family as : >> 1 MARR >> ... >> 2 ASSO @I...@ >> 3 TYPE INDI >> 3 RELA Witness >> >> Geneweb only uses the second for import. >> >> Since what french users (I at least...) care about is being able to >> publish their work without losses, I wrote this patch. >> >> I dont know if other software use wrongly ASSO in that way, but as said >> at least Hérédis does. To me this hack seems not too ugly. >> >> Cheers, >> Bastien >> >> [1] : an open-source web-based genealogy software, somehow recently >> linked to Geneanet http://opensource.geneanet.org/projects/geneweb >> [2] : http://www.geneanet.org/ >> [3] : http://www.heredis.com/ >> [4]: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-FF-LOG/2007-02/1172226948 >> [5]: http://www.geneanet.org/forum/index.php?topic=432352.0&lang=fr < >> http://www.geneanet.org/forum/index.php?topic=432352.0&lang=fr> >> [6]: http://fr.geneawiki.com/index.php/Logiciels_de_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9alogie >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat >> landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. 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