Re: [Gramps-users] [Gramps-devel] walk away?

[Peter L. <pet...@te...>]

Jerome:

At least the names for Finnish long months are correct according to my Swedish/Finnish dictionary.

/Peter

> >You should not just add language bits of languages you don't >know. You
> >really should solicit help from people speaking that >language. As dates
> >are very important for Gramps, the idea is >that somebody who knows the
> >language puts his shoulders under >it, so as totrave it working
> >correctly, instead of just >literally translated.
> 
> I asked translators (mails, references on wiki translators portal or talk
> section [1]), but no answers for them.
> 
> I just tried to use python and locale for diplaying months !
> 
> $ python
> 
> >>> locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL,'fi_FI.utf8')
> 
> 'fi_FI.utf8'
> 
> >>>locale.nl_langinfo(locale.MON_1)
> >>>locale.nl_langinfo(locale.MON_2)
> 
> ...
> 
> >>> locale.nl_langinfo(locale.ABMON_1)
> >>> locale.nl_langinfo(locale.ABMON_2)
> 
> ...
> 
> I completed non-ASCII characters (not properly displayed into my console)
> by theirs possible values. And I commited changes on trunk only.
> 
> I just wonder why nobody asked for displaying Finnish, Lithuanian, Russian
> months on 3.2 serie [2][3][4]!
> 
> Currently, for these locales, date selector displays english month names.
> And I guess some users are using numerical or ISO date formats (no month
> names). I used 'locale' references, it was the way used before :
> http://gramps.1791082.n4.nabble.com/Attention-Translators-New-month-string
> s-in-DateDisplayers-td1805671.html
> 
> Note, OpenSuse and Ubuntu did not used the same short month values for the
> french locale. So, I know that some translations need to be improved,
> tested and validated.
> 
> If someone could verify them :
> 
> FI
> long_months = (u"", u"Tammikuu", u"Helmikuu", u"Maaliskuu", u"Huhtikuu",
> u"Toukokuu", u"Kesäkuu", u"Heinäkuu", u"Elokuu", u"Syyskuu", u"Lokakuu",
> u"Marraskuu", u"Joulukuu") short_months = (u"", u"Tammi", u"Helmi",
> u"Maalis", u"Huhti", u"Touko",u"Kes", u"Hein", u"Elo", u"Syys", u"Loka",
> u"Marras", u"Joulu")
> 
> LT
> long_months = (u"", u"Sausio", u"Vasario", u"Kovo", u"Balandzio",
> u"Geguzes", u"Birzelio", u"Liepos", u"Rugpjucio", u"Rugsejo", u"Spalio",
> u"Lapkricio", u"Gruodis") short_months = (u"", u"Sau", u"Vas", u"Kov",
> u"Bal", u"Geg", u"Bir", u"Lie", u"Rgp", u"Rgs", u"Spa", u"Lap", u"Grd")
> 
> RU
> long_months = (u"", u"Январь", u"Февраль", u"Март", u"Апрель", u"Май",
> u"Июнь", u"Июль", u"Август", u"Сентябрь", u"Октябрь", u"Ноябрь",
> u"Декабрь") short_months = (u"", u"Янва", u"Февр", u"Март", u"Апре",
> u"Май",
> u"Июн", u"Июл", u"Авгу", u"Сент", u"Октя", u"Нояб", u"Дека")
> 
> 
> [1] http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Dickest
> [2] http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=3936
> [3] http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=3918
> [4] http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=3708
> ...
> 
> > As dates are very important for Gramps, the idea is that somebody who
> > knows the language puts his shoulders under it, so as totrave it working
> > correctly, instead of just literally translated.
> 
> Dates are properly stored, this is a string issue for displaying (parsing
> ??) month names. Maybe a typo error is better than unknown month names
> (english is not their mother tongue) ?
> 
> I will never change the way for handling localized dates, but I thought to
> get translated month names on date selector might be useful for some
> users.
> 
> 
> Jérôme
> 
> 
> --- En date de : Lun 19.7.10, Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> a
> écrit :
> 
> De: Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...>
> Objet: Re: [Gramps-users] [Gramps-devel] walk away?
> À: "jerome" <rom...@ya...>
> Cc: "Paul Franklin" <pf....@gm...>,
> gra...@li... Date: Lundi 19 juillet 2010, 1h39
> 
> 
> 
> 2010/7/18 jerome <rom...@ya...>
> 
> Benny,
> 
> 
> 
> I tried to provide translated months for Finnish, Lithuanian, Russian on
> trunk, but I am not familiar with them !
> 
> http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=4y089
> 
> http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Portal:Translators
> 
> 
> 
> Date handlers for these locales still use english month names for 3.2.x
> serie... If someone could validate changes, maybe this could be
> back-ported to branch (bug fix) ?
> 
> 
> 
> Does any user know what should be the long and short month names for
> Finnish, Lithuanian or Russian ?
> 
> Jerome,
> 
> You should not just add language bits of languages you don't know. You
> really should solicit help from people speaking that language. As dates
> are very important for Gramps, the idea is that somebody who knows the
> language puts his shoulders under it, so as totrave it working correctly,
> instead of just literally translated.
> 
> 
> Benny
> 
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> 
> Jérôme
> 
> 
> 
> --- En date de : Dim 18.7.10, Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> a
> écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> De: Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...>
> 
> Objet: Re: [Gramps-users] [Gramps-devel] walk away?
> 
> À: "Paul Franklin" <pf....@gm...>
> 
> Cc: gra...@li...
> 
> Date: Dimanche 18 juillet 2010, 18h38
> 
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> 2010/7/18 Paul Franklin <pf....@gm...>
> 
> 
> 
> I have been wondering the same sorts of things, as a newcomer.
> 
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> 
> You only commented about the trunk, not gramps32.  The roadmap
> 
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> for 3.2.4 says it was "Scheduled For Release 05-09-10" for instance.
> 
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> 
> (But maybe that's my American prejudice showing?  Maybe it does
> 
> 
> 
> not mean "May 9" as I assumed but rather "September 5"?  In that
> 
> 
> 
> case perhaps I could suggest using month names everywhere?)
> 
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> 
> That date is just the day of creation of 3.2.4, not when it will be
> released. 
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> I realize that the time available from volunteer developers varies.  I
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> am not trying to be pushy.  I am just trying to understand.  For
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> instance is there some organized structure, as to who does what
> 
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> 
> in the "roadmap" -- a list of which person will do each number?
> 
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> 
> It unfortunately does not work like that. Bugs are fixed as developers
> choose to fix them. And we guarantee some level of support (we do not let
> thing rot that is).
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> 
> I see present 3.2.4
> http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/roadmap_page.php?version_id=21 has some
> resolved bugs already, so a release could be done. It is a holiday period
> however.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have not been tracking the bugs in 3.2.3, is there a real issue which
> would require a new bug fix release? If not, I would rather aim for a bug
> fix release end of august if the release manager has time.
> 
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> Benny
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> Thanks.
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