Re: [Gramps-devel] [Gramps-users] data entry simplification

[Raphael A. <rap...@gm...>]

On Feb 19, 2008 9:42 AM, Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> wrote:
>
>
> 2008/2/18, Raphael Ackermann <rap...@gm...>:
> > I like the fact that there is easy keyboard navigation for the tabs.
> > ALT+LEFT and ALT+RIGHT work as well.
> >

> > * Could INSERT be made to work in the views as well and not just in
> > the editors. INSERT could be mapped to the + button in all the views.
> > I just realised again that CTRL+INSERT works in the list views. But
> > why not use the same keyboard shortcut for the same action?
>
>
> Keys that work on textviews cannot be used. So INSERT is not ok generally as
> it means change from write insert to overwrite. On the lists in the tabs,
> INSERT is not problem, but eg on place, first tab is text, so there is no
> 'add' button there.
>  I have no problem to map CTRL+INSERT generally to the add button of the
> open tab, but do think that moving to a tab first, then doing INSERT is
> perhaps not asked too much.

I do not understand what you mean or why.

Can keys that work on textviews not be used because the textview is
catching the keypress event? If so, could this not be changed so that
they would only get key events that are meant for them? (just asking I
don't know much about key events in python, gtk, gnome)

In the Places View pressing INSERT does not do anything at all. Are
you saying that using INSERT for adding a new place would have side
effects? I don't get how the "first tab is text" can have an influence
on this. And I have +(Add) buttons in the Place View.

I just checked and CTRL+INSERT seems to invoke Add in most editors.
Which means I can use CTRl+INSERT throughout GRAMPS when I want to add
a new record. I am happy with that.

>
> > * I don't think it is a good idea to have ALT+C or ALT+O anywhere as
> > these are reserved for Cancel and OK.  In the Family Editor ALT+C for
> > Cancel is broken for me now. Using Kubuntu. I cannot cancel the editor
> > by just pressing ALT+C anymore, and pressing it twice doesn't work
> > either.
>
> Look, this is internationalization. ALT mnemonics works with duplicates, I
> personnally don't see a problem with it. I rather have the first letter of
> all fields, than some free letter. Why would the Child tab be ALT+h? Oeps,
> that is the Help button. So, ALT+l then? Well, I don't use the English
> version, so Raphael, feel free to change the key, just search on _Children
> in the code, and change it to eg Chi_ldren.

http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/input-keyboard.html.en#choosing-access-keys
says
"If duplication of access keys in a window is unavoidable, you should
still refrain from duplicating the access keys for any of these
buttons that appear in the same window: OK, Cancel, Close, Apply or
Help."

The problem with ALT+C twice and then pressing ENTER is that I cannot
see the focus on the Cancel button on Kubuntu plus I really expect
ALT+C to just cancel. I'll change the _Children code to something
else. All the other mnemonics do not interfere with the OK or Cancel
buttons.

[snip]
>
> > * ALT+P, ALT+N don't work at the moment for navigation between views,
> > unless the sidebar is used! Could this be made to work the same
> > regardless of whether the sidebar is used or not. I find this
> > confusing.
>
> file a bug please. The view must pass a key press to the notebook under it

See also http://bugs.gramps-project.org/view.php?id=1559 for some more
accelerator keys discussion.

>
> > * ALT+S for Scratchpad (now Clipboard) could probably be change to
> > something else.
>
> Indeed, I made it an accellerator now CTRL+B.
> If somebody opposes that, do react.

HIG says:

"Standard GNOME application shortcut keys and access keys - Bookmarks menu
Function 	Shortcut 	Description
Add Bookmark 	Ctrl+D 	Add a bookmark for the current location
Edit Bookmarks... 	Ctrl+B (see note below) 	Open a window in which the
user can edit and organise saved bookmarks
Bold and Edit Bookmarks

If your application requires both Format ▸ Bold and Bookmarks ▸ Edit
Bookmarks... menu items, use Shift+Ctrl+D as the shortcut for Edit
Bookmarks.
"

I am not too fussed about this, but for the Organize Bookmarks I would
either use CTRL+B or SHIFT+CTRL+D as suggested above for the case that
CTRL+B is already used.

Raphael