Re: [Fwbuilder-discussion] Opinion poll
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Re: [Fwbuilder-discussion] Opinion poll
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From: Alexander R. <ru...@tu...> - 2009-11-16 11:26:28
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Me too would favor the auto-apply option. Still I do share the concerns of unwanted changes. How about this one: before saving a ruleset you get a list of all changes applied (the content of the undo list) which can then be confirmed or rejected. alex Chris E. Hendrickson schrieb: > I will toss in a vote for the immediate apply and undo (and redo?) as > well. Maybe a good compromise for the anti-auto-apply people might be > a setting to switch between the two behaviors. > > On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:55 PM, "Vadim Kurland" <va...@vk... > <mailto:va...@vk...>> wrote: > >> >> Chris, I see your point. >> >> >> So far I have 4 "for" immediate saving of the changes and 1 "against" it. >> >> I need more votes to make the decision. We are trying to design the >> Undo function in a such way that it would work regardless of the >> editor design. So this opinion poll is not about how Undo should >> work, it is about how the editor should work. >> >> To reiterate, there are two major ways to implement object editor: >> >> 1) You type in the input field in the editor, hit Enter or click on >> another input field, and the change immediately saved into the object >> and added to the Undo stack. You can roll changes back one by one. >> >> 2) the GUI offers small panel that shows object properties and has >> button "Edit". Clicking on this button opens object editor in a modal >> dialog, you can't do anything else until you click Cancel or OK in it. >> >> As I said, Undo will work either way. In the case (1) it will roll >> back change done to one attribute of the object, while in case (2) it >> will roll back all changes done in the editor while it was opened. >> >> Note that even in the case (1) changes made in the "advanced >> settings" dialogs will be rolled back as a batch because these >> dialogs are already modal. >> >> I am going to make final decision by the end of the day Tuesday (my >> time, Pacific Time Zone) by counting votes cast for (1) or (2). The >> 5 votes I have so far count, unless you guys want to change your mind. >> >> --vk >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Chris Martin <ch...@ma... >> <mailto:ch...@ma...>> wrote: >> >> Personally, I prefer the Modal Dialog Box >> >> (1) It prevents accidental modification of the object >> (2) It encourages you to "review" you setting before you select >> "apply" >> >> I find that I don't modify objects very often. Its the rule-set >> that I am always changing, so an extra click or two in the object >> editor is OK.. >> >> I find in X that there are many applications that could benefit >> from Modal Dialog Boxes for editing >> >> In my view, its best to display the object in a summary window, >> with an edit button. The edit window should be modal. This way >> no one forgets to apply changes. The display window takes less >> screen space (good for use with net-books). The edit window >> overlays the application, focusing attention of the object, and >> forcing a commit. >> >> My 2c worth >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Chris Martin >> m: 0419812371 >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Frank Tanner >> <pc...@my... <mailto:pc...@my...>> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 09:29 -0800, Vadim Kurland wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > >> > We are actively working on Undo for the Firewall Builder >> v4.0 GUI and >> > we think of changing the way object editor operates to make >> it more >> > logical and easier integrated with Undo facility. The idea >> is to make >> > the editor apply changes to the object's attribute >> immediately when >> > user types something in the entry field and hits Enter or >> switches >> > focus to another entry field. The "Apply" button will be >> removed if >> > this is done. You just edit a name or comment or port >> number etc and >> > hit Enter and it is saved right away into the object and >> also added to >> > the Undo stack so you can roll it back using Ctrl-Z. This >> is standard >> > behavior, this is how many other programs work. >> > >> > >> > The alternative is to switch to the modal dialog for the >> editor, but >> > that seems very intrusive and requires lot more clicks to edit >> > something. If it is modal, it won't let you do anything >> else until you >> > finish your changes and hit Cancel or Apply. I do not like >> this idea, >> > but I like the first idea much better (when changes are applied >> > immediately when you hit Enter or switch focus). >> > >> > >> > What do you think ? >> > >> >> I like the first idea as well. >> >> > >> > --vk >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal >> Reports 2008 30-Day >> > trial. 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