Re: [E-devel] licensing - end it.

[Ian C. <inc...@gm...>]

Andddd we've already heard your arguments, case closed now get to work!
We've already lost time, members and devs due to this ridiculous debate.

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Jose Gonzalez <jos...@ju...> wrote:

> Carsten  wrote:
>
> > ok. enough of the squabbling. e is not a political football. license is
> not a
> > reason one way or another for success or failure if licenses are oss
> anyway.
> > we're squabbling about strawberry vs chocolate.
> >
> >
>
>       That's no doubt true as a rule on any given project, but statistics
> show that gpl/lgpl code and developers outnumber bsd ones by orders of
> magnitude. Your feelings on it are a bit subjective, and so might those of
> others who prefer some other license, but that's a fact that should be
> recognized, not a squabble.
>
>
> > here's how it will go:
> >
> > 1. existing libs. the LGPL crowd - RESPECT the licenses already used.
> deal
> > with it. the original authors chose the licenses. don't like it? go
> somewhere
> > else. this is what pretty much every oss project will say - except for
> very
> > small ones.
> >
> > 2. new libs. he who writes and licenses the lib initially makes the
> license
> > call. if its LGPL or BSD - doesn't matter. but RESPECT their choice. just
> like
> > they need to RESPECT the choices of existing libs and stop trying to
> change
> > them.
> >
> >
>       No one proposing either licensing their work as lgpl, or even just
> asking
> for other's views on a possible change, has disrespected any author -- not
> as far
> as I can see.
>
>
> > 3. new apps. same as libs - choose your license. BEWARE of GPL though.
> you
> > CANNOT take the GPL code and put it into an LGPL lib - so if you see code
> going
> > from app back to a lib sometime... think many times before GPL. licence
> the APP
> > under LGPL - it'd be effectively the same.
> >
> > 4. linking TO LGPL libs is ok - we do it already anyway.
> >
> > 5. linking to GPL libs - be WARY. very. this makes your lib GPL and then
> any
> > app using that lib GPL. beware of the chain of "infection". if you want
> it a
> > core lib used by everyone - chances are this is a very bad idea.
> >
> > i'm a little tired of the divisive political debating here. this is NOT a
> > technical argument. it id not something u can win by benchmarking,
> numbers and
> > proof. it's all emotions, speculation and politics. please take your
> politics
> > elsewhere as this is the one thing that is really going to destroy this
> > community if anything. i know i am personally ->||<- this far from saying
> "fuck
> > it - i'm out. if this is becoming a political playground i have better
> things
> > to do that deal with it".
> >
> > now. make your choices. but enough of the politics.
> >
> > debate is healthy - technical debate. direction for features and code and
> > technical stuff. we can always debate. its good. politics is nothing more
> than
> > a way to divide and create little power encampments "us" and "them".
> >
> > i have been very quiet - i was hoping people would sort their difference
> out
> > quietly, but it seems i need to say something. i think i have been very
> > reasonable here and have tried to accommodate BOTH sides. i see the
> arguments
> > for LGPL etc. and i know why. i respect the desire for it - and when it
> is
> > appropriate and sane/possible - if the author(s) want to use it, do so.
> by the
> > same token respect the licenses there already. if 1 author for a project
> says
> > "no - i wont relicence" or 1 authors alone simply never responds, it
> doesnt get
> > relicenced. in fact the debate and effort spent relicencing is a big
> waste of
> >
>
>       Again, no one tried to force or impose changing any existing license
> on a project agaisnt anyone's wishes... some did ask, but that's neither
> disrespect nor intolerance. But also note that bsd does explicitly champion
> the right to relicense the code.. that's part of the very thing many have
> defended here as their reason for choosing such a license.
>
>
> > time. so again - there are 2 valid sides to this. respect EACHOTHER.
> >
>
>       Indeed, well said.
>
>
> > thanks. :)
> >
> > now... do we have productive stuff to do?
> >
>
>       Argue some more, call each other names.. then go out for a beer
> or reasonably priced meal?
>  :)
>
>
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