Re: [eGroupWare-developers] default setting for Show navigation bar as

[Miles L. <mi...@gr...>]

I don't care for icons and text, but agree that useability for the 
masses should be considered.

Pim Snel wrote:
> Op donderdag 6 november 2003 13:34, schreef brian connolly:
> 
>>Pim,
>>
>>I was serious about the icons and text looking cluttered.
>>
>>However, with regard to weeding out the technically challenged... that's
>>based on Darwin's "Natural Selection."  The weak naturally opt out.  In
>>this case, those that cannot decipher an icon are the same people that are
>>known to drool on their keyboards.  That obviously is a huge expense to
>>companies. I would think that defaulting to just icons will indirectly save
>>companies lots of money, certainly a key selling point today.
>>
>>:)
> 
> 
> Nice way of view, but I think it's not our cause the lay our usabiliy standard 
> so high that "incompetent" people automatically drop out ;) Beside that, this 
> is a very generelistic way of examining peoples qualities, just if they are 
> able to work with a icon based system. I really know a lot of intelligent and 
> wanted people that do have difficulties though with the contemporary narrow 
> minded inteface designs for programs and machines. You can't always blame the 
> stupid users but must make better programs
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>Brian
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: egr...@li...
>>[mailto:egr...@li...] On Behalf Of Pim
>>Snel
>>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:10 AM
>>To: egr...@li...
>>Subject: Re: [eGroupWare-developers] default setting for Show navigation
>>bar as
>>
>>Hi Brain,
>>
>>Op woensdag 5 november 2003 23:04, schreef brian connolly:
>>
>>>Pim,
>>>
>>>From a design perspective... icons and text really clutters up the look.
>>>Users get the idea with the icon only (i.e. icon), and certainly the text
>>>appears on rollover.
>>
>>Yes but not when 20 application are installed, then icons only are a bit
>>frustrating. And I'm thinking of  a fresh install. The users who are in the
>>stage that they get the idea also know where to switch it of in
>>preferences,
>>
>>so you just start with the most easy configuration.
>>
>>
>>>I am thinking that just icons also serves to weed out the technically
>>>challenged.  For companies looking to optimize productivity, this is a
>>>plus.
>>
>>Brain you're going to fast here. "just icons also serves to weed out the
>>technically challenged" Why, what do you mean? That companies only need
>>technical challenged employers? I have clients where the most
>>"non-technical"
>>employers have to do the most of work with egroupware.
>>
>>
>>>We could package it as a beneficial product feature. :)
>>
>>It's really just one default setting after a clean install which server new
>>or
>>non-experianced users. It's not that we must add a new feature.
>>
>>greets,
>>Pim
>>
>>
>>>Brian Connolly
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: egr...@li...
>>>[mailto:egr...@li...] On Behalf Of
>>
>>Pim
>>
>>
>>>Snel
>>>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:49 PM
>>>To: egr...@li...
>>>Subject: [eGroupWare-developers] default setting for Show navigation bar
>>
>>as
>>
>>
>>>Hi devs,
>>>
>>>I think for usability, aspecially for new users, the defaults setting
>>>should
>>>
>>>for "Show navigation bar as" should be "icons and text".
>>>
>>>What do you say about this?
>>>greets,
>>>Pim
> 
> 


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Miles Lott