Re: [ECB-list] I can do without that! (was: I want to use ECB)

[Jai D. <day...@gm...>]

Well, good luck being small timers. Have fun with that.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Berndl, Klaus <
kla...@ca...> wrote:

> First of all: I have not the impression that only a few people are using
> ECB.
> Second: I wrote the installation instructions when there was only a
> separate CEDET-package available,
> not that one now shipped with GNU Emacs (at least with the forthcoming
> Emacs release).
> I know that these instructions will not work when using the Emacs-shipped
> CEDET-suite but currently
> i'm to busy to fix this. I will try it in the future...
> Third: I had never tested installing ECB on mac OS simply because i do not
> have any.
>
> Below you find the current install-instructions. And IMHO they are quite
> understandable and i can not
> see where each step contains other steps as you wrote...but i do not want
> to adamantly defend it
> because of course this is only my opinion and there is
> always the problem that good (supposed) output of the author can be bad
> input for the reader.
> I'm convinced it is possible either to write a better installation guide or
> to make a full auto. script.
> BUT: The time i can spend for ECB is very limited.
>
> And now the most important part of my answer to you: Why to you offend me
> by naming
> the installation guide CRAPPY? You are not forced to use it and you don't
> have to pay it so please
> stay courteous and polite.
>
> Each constructive criticism is always very appreciated by me and i have
> always tried to enhance
> ECB and its manuals and often after very valuabel suggestions of ECB-users.
>
> But i'm not interested in CRAPPY messages like yours. I can do without
> that!
>
> regards
> Klaus
>
> Current installation instructions for ECB:
>
> Follow exatly these steps to install ECB:
>
>  1. Fulfill all requirements ECB needs (*note Requirements::)
>
>     ECB performs two autom checks:
>
>        - At load-time: It checks if cedet is at least installed so ECB can
>          be loaded. If not it reports an error.
>
>        - At start-time: It checks if the correct versions of cedet and
>          semantic are installed and gives you proper feedback.
>
>     So if you are not sure if you have installed the required packages at
>     all or if you have installed the correct versions of these packages
> then
>     do not worry about this, just go on with the following installation
>     steps: If ECB is missing something it will give you proper feedback and
>     support not later than at load-time or start-time!
>
>  2. Download and unpack the ECB archive (probably you have already done
> this
>     :-)
>
>  3. Add the new ECB-directory to your `load-path' variable.
>
>     You *MUST* add the ECB-install-directory to the `load-path' either by
>     changing the `load-path' variable directly in your `.emacs' or
>     `site-lisp/site-start.el' or by working with a file `subdirs.el'(1).
>
>     So for example the needed entry for your `.emacs'-file could be:
>
>        (add-to-list 'load-path
>                     "/path/to/your/ecb/installation/directory")
>
>     *ATTENTION*: ECB is NOT properly installed if it's directory is not
>     added to `load-path' and for example just loaded by
>
>        (load-file "/path/to/ecb/ecb.el")
>
>     Do not do this! It will not work!
>
>  4. Load ECB by adding code to your `.emacs':
>
>     If you want to load the complete ECB at (X)Emacs-loadtime (Advantage:
>     All ECB-options available after loading ECB. Disadvantage: Increasing
>     loadtime(2)):
>
>        (require 'ecb)
>
>     If you want to load the ECB first after starting it by `ecb-activate'
>     (Advantage: Fast loading(3).  Disadvantage: ECB- and semantic-options
>     first available after starting ECB):
>
>        (require 'ecb-autoloads)
>
>     This loads all available autoloads of ECB, e.g. `ecb-activate',
>     `ecb-minor-mode', `ecb-byte-compile' and `ecb-show-help'.
>
>     Regardless which method you prefer: In both cases the used statement
>     must be placed *after* the statement of step 3!
>
>  5. Restart (X)Emacs.
>
> ECB is now ready for use and can be activated by calling `M-x ecb-activate'
> or `ecb-minor-mode'.
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: Jai Dayal [day...@gm...]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Februar 2010 03:30
> An: Berndl, Klaus; za...@gn...
> Betreff: I want to use ECB
>
> I want to use ECB on my macbook (OS X leopard), however, your installation
> process is, well, stupid.
>
> You list these simple steps off your website ". Just follow these steps and
> the requirements of ECB are fulfilled."
> However, the problem is, each one of those "steps" contains several other
> steps.  The directions for these sub-steps
> are just as CRAPPY as your directions (none of the scripts work, for
> example)
>
> I was able to install this on Ubuntu very easily (through the package
> manager).
>
> Why can't you simply make a script that does this?  Are you saying the
> installation is too hard to script, but easy enough for someone else to do?
>
> I mean, really.  It's a cool product, but there's a reason not many people
> use it:  YOUR INSTALLATION GUIDE SUCKS!
>
> Sorry to be blunt, but I'm starting to think you're Sarah Palin's
> offspring.
>
> Jai
>