Re: [Dotproject-cvs] The trouble with Windows

[Ray D. <ra...@gm...>]

Sorry for the very late reply, I was in China last week (did that excuse work?) 

Anyway.  I am unfortunately a very much rabid Window user.  I peeked
over the linux fence few years ago but the steep installation curve
turned me off big time.  And Windows is all we got at work.  I tried
to install CVS on my XP Apache/PHP laptop and got all that nice
require_once errors (it was never a problem with 1.0.2), so I resorted
to my hosted linux server, everything went fine.

I agree with the consensus reached in these discussions that we should
get 2.0 RC1 out of the door without Windows support.  But we really
should have Windows support in the long run, for all the reasons Dana
and others have listed.  The corporate America, anyway, are so
entrenched in Windows.  My company, for example, just paid who knows
how much money for a dumb ASP issue tracking system that DP or Mantis
could wipe the floor with any day.  Part of the reason is that we do
not have single Linux box and probably never will.  I don't know the
statistics of servers but as long as M$ pumps out their own
non-standard crap, corporations are going to lap it up, because they
have already invested way too much.  It would be great if we don't
have to alienate a whole bunch people for M$.

Once we get 2.0 RC1 out, I'd be happy (well, maybe not exactly happy!
;)  to work some Windows bugs.  Any help you guys can put in for 2.0
RC1 will be greatly appreciated!

Ray
Don't hate me, my next computer will probabaly be a nice 12 inch
Powerbook...ummm...

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:55:59 -0800, Dana Cordes
<dc...@wa...> wrote:
> I haven't been terribly active on dotProject development for many
> months, but let me weigh in.  Here are some thoughts in no particular order:
> 
> -I think it is very important to encourage companies that are currently
> windows centric to install and run PHP applications.  dotProject is a
> fantastic tool, and a great way to get organizations moving away from MS
> centric, or retail products into the LAMP/WAMP/OSS world.  I know with
> my current company, dotProject was the very first OSS/LAMP tool to be
> installed and rolled out to a large user base.  And since that happened,
> we have added several Linux machines, and are evaluating more and more
> OSS when a software need is identified.  While, for this dorProject and
> it's developers, it may seem like a good choice to just abandon M$
> support, for the OSS community at large, it makes a lot more sense to at
> least offer limited Windows support.  Most M$ centric shops will
> initially evaluate dotProject on a desktop workstation, and if it just
> won't run there, they may not make a second attempt on something that
> may be more compliant (Linux, BSD, etc).
> -I agree that getting a 2.0-alpha build out ASAP is a good idea.  With
> or without Windows support.  I believe the final /should/ have some kind
> of windows support, though.
> -I think one of the problems with windows support is that there are many
> different configuration options available.  IIS or Apache, what PHP
> version, what IIS version, what OS version (cause that does matter in
> windows).  So, perhaps it would be better to put together a more limited
> set of requirements for running dotProject under Windows.  Define PHP,
> MySQL and Apache HTTPd versions, and say /that/ is the only
> configuration that we offically support.  Offer a forum for Windows
> specific hacks and tricks (there is already one, no?) and if people can
> find a way to get it working consistantly under IIS, good for them.
> But, just offer one officially sanctioned configuration.
> 
> I have access to several windows boxes (XP, 2000, etc), and would be
> happy to do some testing and debugging in that environment.
> 
> -Dana Cordes
> 
> --
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> 
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